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Author Topic:   Evolution: Natural selection vs. Godly guidance
Iblis
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Message 11 of 154 (588753)
10-28-2010 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by shadow71
10-27-2010 12:13 PM


Re: Looking for some pre-promotion clarifications
If I'm understanding you correctly, the gap you have god filling is the "natural" in selection. The arbitrary mutations side is something "designed" that runs on its own in the way we observe, but the actual removal of the "unfit" varieties is a direct intervention from on high. Yes?
This isn't bad theology, really. The Bible and world mythology are pretty much in agreement that the main activity of deity is to destroy person, places and things.
But to be science there has to be a way to falsify your hypothesis.
How can sceintists accept a belief
Here I think is where you are going wrong. Belief is for losers. The reason science is a winner is because, instead of believing the things its imagination poops out, it immediately begins trying to come up with ways to disprove these things.
So, what predictions could we make based on your idea that it's god killing mammoths and leaving elephants alone, or whatever example suits you. What experiments can we do to test these predictions. What results would falsify your theory?

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Iblis
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Message 27 of 154 (588820)
10-28-2010 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by shadow71
10-28-2010 1:34 PM


Why is belief in a supernatural so threatening to Science?
Because of its track record. Belief in the supernatural got us through the dark ages but not out of them. The "science" it produced included the flat earth, geocentrism, epicycles, flood geology, and a vast plethora of other ideas which have had to be cast onto the rubbish heap of history. Furthermore, it remains a tool of enslavement worldwide.
On the other hand, methodological naturalism got us rockets to the moon and phones you can surf the web on. Nothing succeeds like success! So, what purpose can your ancient mumbo jumbo (blessed by the ex-nazi who took charge of moving those pedos around and covering their tracks for them) possibly serve in a science class? Science is where we disprove things. Things are revealed in science, they are shown for what they are. Wouldn't it be a better idea to keep your superstitions inside your constitutionally-protected tax-free superstition buildings?

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Iblis
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Message 41 of 154 (588853)
10-28-2010 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by shadow71
10-28-2010 5:20 PM


10. Shifting the Burden of Proof
a.k.a. You can't prove God doesn't exist, False criteria fallacy, fallacy of questionable criteria
Premise:
I know God exists. If you disagree, prove otherwise. Oh you say you can't prove God doesn't exist? That's because you know he does!
Critique:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This is the way the real world and science work. When you say God exists, you are making an extraordinary claim; therefore, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim. A position that God doesn't exist is not a "belief," it's the standard position we all start out with until we're indoctrinated into religious schools of thought. People aren't born believing in Jesus. They start out atheist: lacking belief. There is no counter-claim necessary. Nobody has to prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist either.
Furthermore, it's technically impossible to prove a negative of this nature. I can no easier prove God doesn't exist than you can disprove my claim that I have an invisible, ethereal unicorn in the trunk of my car. I say I do. It's not my fault he disappears when you look there. Prove he isn't there. You can't.
A famous counter-spin on this argument is the Russell's teapot claim. How do you know there isn't a magical teapot hovering around earth that is responsible for creation? Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there.
Top ten arguments for the existence of God - FreeThoughtPedia
Again I ask, what does your unsubstantiated opinion have to do with science?
Falsifiable hypotheses, logical predictions, actual experiments, replicable results. Not "beliefs".

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