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Topic: The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 181 of 670 (587717)
10-20-2010 11:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 180 by Coyote
10-20-2010 11:35 AM
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Re: Kohlberg's Theory of Moral Development
This is a private debate thread, but I suppose you can join in. (for a minute)| Coyote writes: And why should we accommodate global development at the expense of our standard of living? |
Good question, and one I might ask myself. Jar? Any comment?
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jar
Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 182 of 670 (587720)
10-20-2010 12:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 181 by Phat
10-20-2010 11:55 AM
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Re: Kohlberg's Theory of Moral Development
I don't believe anyone has said that Global Development must affect our standard of living negatively. But even if it were true, we have nothing to say about what the rest of the world does. They can develop regardless of what we do.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 183 of 670 (587902)
10-21-2010 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 182 by jar
10-20-2010 12:01 PM
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America and Morality
| jar writes: we have nothing to say about what the rest of the world does. They can develop regardless of what we do. |
Sometimes I think that we helped construct our own competition. I suppose that we had no choice, however.As A supposed Christian Nation, what should we do? WWJD? Would Jesus advocate a competitive economic climate? Do the "least of these, my brothers" have to pay retail? Is it wrong to think of ourselves before we think of others? I watched an interesting movie last night. Where In The World Is Bin Laden? It was actually an eye opening movie in that it showed a very human face to the Muslim people. It made me wonder why we spent ourselves nearly bankrupt in order to capture one guy....and why we are still spending money in Afghanistan, a country that historically has proven impossible to conquer.
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jar
Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 184 of 670 (587912)
10-21-2010 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
10-21-2010 11:23 AM
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Re: America and Morality
| Phat writes: Sometimes I think that we helped construct our own competition. |
There is a reason why you often see several different fast food franchises right across the street from each other. | Phat writes: As A supposed Christian Nation, what should we do? WWJD? Would Jesus advocate a competitive economic climate? Do the "least of these, my brothers" have to pay retail? Is it wrong to think of ourselves before we think of others? |
Of course absolutely nothing in that is related to the issue. India and China can decide to compete regardless of what we think. | Phat writes: I watched an interesting movie last night. Where In The World Is Bin Laden? It was actually an eye opening movie in that it showed a very human face to the Muslim people. It made me wonder why we spent ourselves nearly bankrupt in order to capture one guy....and why we are still spending money in Afghanistan, a country that historically has proven impossible to conquer. |
Again, totally irrelevant to the issue being discussed. We spent the money. Period. It's gone.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 185 of 670 (589265)
11-01-2010 10:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 163 by jar
11-27-2007 12:50 PM
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Re: Translation to JarSpeak
Hi Jar.  More Bible questions again.| jar writes: Prayer if done properly is a form of contemplation. It is an intimate time of reflection and should be used as such. It is not some wish list or request line. The key is that YOU must hear, that you put aside the outside voices and honestly listen to yourself, look at what YOU are saying, question what YOU are saying, rebut what YOU are saying. Prayer should be a moment when YOU listen to YOU and when YOU honestly question what YOU say and do. |
There are some things that are hard for a person to do. One of them, for example, and relating to the pressured U.S. Middle Class, is to allow the rest of the world to reclaim what we took during the aberration. | jar writes: The various Bibles are a big ass resource written by a blue brazillion different authors and redacted by a gaggle more then translated by another band of merry (need I say Gay) men. |
Do you believe that the Biblical Authors wanted to be truthful as best as they could and wanted the story of Mans understanding of God to be told? Or do you believe that they cheaply wanted to merely earn a living?
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jar
Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 186 of 670 (589270)
11-01-2010 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 185 by Phat
11-01-2010 10:43 AM
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Re: Translation to JarSpeak
| Do you believe that the Biblical Authors wanted to be truthful as best as they could and wanted the story of Mans understanding of God to be told? Or do you believe that they cheaply wanted to merely earn a living? |
Again, that is a false dichotomy. The Bible is not just about God. The stories have many purposes. The various authors wanted to tell a story, entertain, enlighten and educate, document laws, create an identity, preserve an identity, a variety of different purposes. The same is true of the editors, redactors and translators. The goal of Constantine's Bibles was to be uniform, large, imposing and impressive so that each new church had one. The creators of the King James Version had similar purposes with the added need to walk a line between offending Protestants and Roman Catholics, to tone down the anti-pope rhetoric and again, to provide one unified Bible for all the churches. It was meant to be a politically correct Bible.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 187 of 670 (589279)
11-01-2010 11:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 186 by jar
11-01-2010 11:04 AM
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The Value Of Reading The Bible(s) Today
| jar writes: The Bible is not just about God. The stories have many purposes. The various authors wanted to tell a story, entertain, enlighten and educate, document laws, create an identity, preserve an identity, a variety of different purposes. The same is true of the editors, redactors and translators. The goal of Constantine's Bibles was to be uniform, large, imposing and impressive so that each new church had one. The creators of the King James Version had similar purposes with the added need to walk a line between offending Protestants and Roman Catholics, to tone down the anti-pope rhetoric and again, to provide one unified Bible for all the churches. It was meant to be a politically correct Bible. |
OK, but many of us want to know God. We are told that He is found in the Bible(s). I myself prefer to ask questions about God philosophically and to use reason to arrive at a logical understanding. The idea that Bibles were political leads me to throw them aside entirely when attempting to find mans attempts to define and explain our ideal of communicating or understanding God without limiting Him through our own desired definitions.
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jar
Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 188 of 670 (589281)
11-01-2010 11:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 187 by Phat
11-01-2010 11:23 AM
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Re: The Value Of Reading The Bible(s) Today
Any God that can be contained in one Book cannot be very big.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 189 of 670 (589284)
11-01-2010 12:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 188 by jar
11-01-2010 11:43 AM
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Character of GOD, God, and gods
Can we even agree on what God should be?For instance, which traits would seem logical and preferable? Omnipotence? Favor for humans? (or at least affinity) Ralational? Approachable? Understanding our limited ability to comprehend?
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jar
Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 190 of 670 (589285)
11-01-2010 12:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 189 by Phat
11-01-2010 12:01 PM
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Re: Character of GOD, God, and gods
I doubt it.What GOD is does not depend on what we imagine.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 191 of 670 (589286)
11-01-2010 12:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 190 by jar
11-01-2010 12:02 PM
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Re: Character of GOD, God, and gods
Well can we at least try and agree on what God likely is?
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jar
Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 192 of 670 (589287)
11-01-2010 12:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 191 by Phat
11-01-2010 12:04 PM
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Re: Character of GOD, God, and gods
LOLSure. Make up any God you like. But that has absolutely nothing to do with what GOD actually is.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 193 of 670 (589288)
11-01-2010 12:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 192 by jar
11-01-2010 12:07 PM
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Re: Character of GOD, God, and gods
| jar writes: LOL Sure. Make up any God you like. But that has absolutely nothing to do with what GOD actually is. |
Is it thus likely that no human story or description of God or god is even likely to be similar to the reality?
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jar
Member Posts: 30934 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 194 of 670 (589291)
11-01-2010 12:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 193 by Phat
11-01-2010 12:10 PM
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Re: Character of GOD, God, and gods
Who knows? How could someone tell?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat
Member Posts: 12167 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.2
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Message 195 of 670 (589401)
11-02-2010 9:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 194 by jar
11-01-2010 12:20 PM
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Why Atheists?
Fair enough. You have persuaded me of the logic that shows how nobody can really prove God. Behavior matters more than profession.Switching topics a bit.... "Why Atheists?" You have hinted that you believe that Heaven, if Heaven exists (or the next good place after our physical deaths here on earth) will probably contain many more atheists than it will Christians. What evidence do you have to make this assertion? I don't believe that I have any more of a chance to make it than anyone else, but I also believe that I don't have less of a chance either.
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