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Autobiography of a Christian Apostle

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10-30-2010 2:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 8 by jaywill
10-30-2010 1:37 PM

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Nor was Paul accused of stealing the wives of men in his congregation.
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And Paul didn't have young female members of his group whom he had sex with wear distinguishing colors to indicate their superior status.
Which is worse, liking women too much or not liking them enough?
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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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10-30-2010 9:39 PM 		Reply to: Message 10 by jaywill
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Your false dichotomy is bad enough.
It isn't a dichotomy at all. If I ask you whether malaria is worse than sickle-cell anemia, I'm not suggesting that those are the only two diseases in existence.
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But you seem further befuddled to not see clearly that abusing woman physically is a further and more serious violation then just considering their social status to be much the same as the surrounding culture would.
You're moving the goalposts. Nothing was said about physical abuse of women.
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I'm simply pointing out that Paul's attitude toward women wasn't necessarily "better" than that of Koresh or Jones.
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Edited by ringo, : Spe;;ing/punctuation.
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Edited by ringo, : More sprlling.
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10-31-2010 12:24 AM 		Reply to: Message 12 by jaywill
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Where is your evidence that the Corinthians challenged Paul about mistreatment of Christian sisters ? Where is evidence of their complaint about this ?
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Where do you see that the Corinthian church thought he was overbearing with the sisters ?
Paul wrote letters to the Corinthians. If we have any details at all about their side of it, we have only his word for it.
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In his own words:
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1Co 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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10-31-2010 11:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 18 by jaywill
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The same man recommends a woman as being noteworthy among the apostles in Romans - "Junia". Could it be that she never opened her mouth in his presence ?
In his presence, maybe, but according to his edict, not in church - unless there was a different standard for the Corinthians than for the Romans.
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How out of step was he with the cultural norms of the day in that region ?
That's my point. As well as emphasizing how progressive he was, we also have to recognize how progressive he wasn't. We should recognize the weaknesses that he admited and also the ones that he didn't admit.
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11-01-2010 2:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 20 by jaywill
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I don't think Paul felt convicted of any sin in his instructions to the Corinthian church concerning the sisters and the meetings.
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He does not say that this aquites him of all blame. But it demonstrates his purity in doing nothing at which he is aware of as an offense toward God and men.
It demonstrates that he thought he was not doing anything offensive to God or man. In examining any autobiography, we have to be aware of any claims or omissions that might be self-serving. That's all I'm saying.
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