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Author Topic:   Who is really in charge of inspiration?
jar
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Message 94 of 110 (588629)
10-26-2010 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Nij
10-26-2010 11:22 PM


Re: Gimme a break
Except by definition belief is not subject to testing and in particular, supernatural by definition is not testable. If for example they claim personal revelation you have no real recourse. You can of course simply say that you do not believe them, which is fine.
If God chooses to speak to them but not to you, where is the problem?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 96 of 110 (588635)
10-26-2010 11:49 PM
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10-26-2010 11:45 PM


Re: Gimme a break
They are satisfied that it is God. What more do you need?
Understand, it is a question that I often ask people myself and have never gotten any answer that I consider reasonable.
But we are talking about their beliefs. If they are satisfied then why do we care?
Edited by jar, : hit ket

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jar
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Message 99 of 110 (588665)
10-27-2010 9:15 AM
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10-27-2010 3:24 AM


Re: Gimme a break
Because some of them happen to think we should accept their belief as fact on the basis of their evidence and reasoning. So if they want me to accept it, they need to provide that reasoning and evidence, or else do what you have already: admit they don't know and leave it at that.
If they want to convert you to their belief, then yes, to get you to change your mind they need to present evidence that is sufficient to convince you.
But if they are simply informing you of their belief then no evidence is needed.

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jar
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Message 103 of 110 (588946)
10-29-2010 9:54 AM
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10-29-2010 3:26 AM


Re: Serpant must NOT be the Devil then
Gods.

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jar
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Message 105 of 110 (589001)
10-29-2010 3:59 PM
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10-29-2010 3:26 AM


god and gods
I'm putting this in a separate post because I think it's important and may even somehow relate to the topic itself.
At the time the Genesis Garden of Eden fable was taking form, the idea of gods was quite different. The idea that there was one god, of any of the various forms of monotheism that developed around the middle bronze age, would not just have been alien, it simply would not have even come up.
There would have been lots of gods, very human like yet living separately in a place few humans got to visit, capricious beings, more powerful than humans but not unlimited, quick to anger and quick to forgive or slow to anger but never forgiving, pretty much like the petty tyrants of the day.
When the author of the story talks about "us" he is talking about the gods.
It is only much, much later, around the time the Exodus myth was taking form that the concept of a god of a given people was beginning to evolve. But even there, it is NOT just one God, but rather a god of an area, or of a particular people.
Reading the Bible as though ever reference to God describes the same character can only lead to misunderstanding and a cheapening of the stories.

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jar
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Message 107 of 110 (589371)
11-01-2010 10:17 PM
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11-01-2010 10:13 PM


Re: god and gods
If you want to discuss this maybe it would be better over in the Birth of Monotheism

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