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Author Topic:   Is there Biblical support for the concept of "Original Sin"?
frako
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Message 15 of 240 (589620)
11-03-2010 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
11-01-2010 10:13 PM


I think the whole christian community has it wrong adam did not sin at least not that bad that we should suffer for it all he got was the knowlage of good and evil and that made him capable of sinning if you do not know and cannot know something is wrong then who can blame you for doing it.
I think the first sin is the one of cain killing abel, though the christian bible says something like this god:" his blood is crying to me from the erth." Nothing epicly wrong whit it to damm us all, but the quoran says god:" his BLOOD'S are crying to me from the erth" implying he did not only kill able but also all of his decendants every child that abel would have and that is way more epicly wrong than killing one man. implying that we come from a mass murderer who killed half of the worlds population.
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frako
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Message 18 of 240 (589653)
11-03-2010 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Havok
11-03-2010 3:20 PM


The fact is that the game was stacked against Adam from the get go, God allowed him and Eve, two completely incompetent individuals, to be alone with the snake and expects this all to turn out fine because he said not to eat the fruit?... Not only is that just a completely unrealistic expectation, not only is it rigged game (God knew what would happen) that's child neglect where I come from.
yea it is like you telling your 5 year old:" do not put a nail in the electric soccet" then leaving the room and his older brother comes in and says you know what would be cool if you put that nail in the soccet. Guess what the kid is gonna do? evan if there is no brother the kid will probably try to put the nail in the socet my cousin did it did not kill her though she was shaky for a cupple of years after that now who is to blame the kid or the parrent for not watching her or protecting the soccets from chiildren

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frako
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Message 66 of 240 (590123)
11-06-2010 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by kbertsche
11-06-2010 1:31 AM


Re: Free Willy
So in your world a little child is no more likely to trust a loving parent than a predatory stranger? He has no reason or inclination to trust the parent over the stranger?
First you are talking about an eleven day old child in a garden where everything was good and created for him, im guesssing god forgot to mention to them do not listen to the snake it is the one evil, bad, manipulating thing here from where should adam or eve get the idea that some strangers are not good to listen to. How many 11 YEAR old children get lured to pedophiles homes on one or a nother lie?
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frako
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Message 70 of 240 (590212)
11-06-2010 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by kbertsche
11-06-2010 10:00 AM


Re: Free Willy
The "naming" suggests that Adam knew something about the nature of the serpent.
Well hi did not know that was a bad thing cause hi did not know what bad was.
And the whole curse by god is also self explainteory, i doubt they where cursed by god, but by the apple if you do not know what good and bad is you do not know it is not very good being mortal, you do not know that weeds are bad you take them as a nother flower in the garden.
If you cannot see the whole picture, every place is a paradise to you but when you grasp the concept of right and wrong, good and bad .... you start notecing faults in everything. Take plastic for an example it was the best new thing it could be molded in to any shape or size a very good thing until they found out that it dose not degrade and it just piles up and up until our garbage dumps are full of it if you cannot see the other side it is a grate thing.
That is why i think the original sin is the murder of able and that we all share that blood stain on our hands all borne of a murderer , in some holy books whit the same story we share a much bigger blood stain the murder of half of the population all of the kids, grandkids, grate grandkids.... of Abel.
At least that is what i think the book is saying.

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frako
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Message 109 of 240 (590890)
11-10-2010 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by iano
11-10-2010 11:41 AM


Re: Free Willy
They could choose based on the percieved attractiveness of the consequences offered as they understood them to be. Avoiding death vs. being like God.
A) do not eat from this tree you can eat from any other tree
B) eat from this tree god does not want you to eat it cause you will become like him
From the 2 arguments i would choose B if someone would have said do not eat from this tree cause you will die. Then i would choose to follow A whit all my knowlage of right and wrong that i supposedly got from those 2 eating the tree and whitout the knowlage i would die and the knowlage of what death is i would EAT the f%&# Apple.

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frako
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Message 166 of 240 (591676)
11-15-2010 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by ramoss
11-15-2010 12:40 PM


Re: Two Questions
Well, that is the whole myth of Christianity. Now, it appears the concept of Original Sin was taken by one sentence from Paul, and expanded upon by Saint Augustus. One sentence in the New testament, usually taken out of context is a mighty thin thread to hang an entire theology on.
As for this whole hoopla about Jesus coming back.. how many generations of Christians have passed that expected Jesus back IN THEIR LIFETIME? After this amount of time, why should we expect him back at all?
What do you think the first words will be if jesus actualy does come back.
I think he will say something like this
What the %&$# #$%" you F#$%&%$# brainless, hairless monkeys what the hell did you do whit my religion, i got crucified for this "#$%# morrons, i talk of love you spread hate, i talk of peace you bring ware, lucifer is going to have a field day whit this f%$# planet. The whole hevan deal is out of the picture for you $%&$ idiotic imbiciles.
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frako
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Message 221 of 240 (593244)
11-25-2010 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by kbertsche
11-25-2010 1:23 AM


Hows abbout you ask the Jews they use the same text the only thing missing is the new testament cause they dont belive jesus was the messias.
And i do not think Jews have a concept of original sin. So if you want to find something that points to the original sin it would be found in the new testament. Though why the original sin would be hidden from the knowlage of man kind until jesus came along is a noter question.

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