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Message 91 of 121 (439772)
12-10-2007 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by JB1740
12-10-2007 10:30 AM


Re: water substitutes
Sure. Post a message in the Proposed New Topic forum. The Original Post (commonly called OPies around here) should be fairly short and outline the basic topic to be discussed. It should hopefully limit and direct the discussion down one particular line of inquiry.
In it an initial position or question should be asked, but support for that position can be added as the discussion progresses.

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Message 93 of 121 (443938)
12-27-2007 3:51 PM


Bump for that Creationist Model for making sand.
Anyone want to post the Creationist model for making sand?

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Message 94 of 121 (589899)
11-04-2010 10:20 PM


Still looking for a Creationist model to make sand.
^bump^

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Message 96 of 121 (589985)
11-05-2010 11:24 AM
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11-05-2010 2:12 AM


Re: Still looking for a Creationist model to make sand.
Been a little over three years now and still not one Creationist model for making sand.

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Message 98 of 121 (590059)
11-05-2010 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Itinerant Lurker
11-05-2010 3:14 PM


Well, temperature wearing is one of the methods in the conventional model and even discussed in this thread. Now if that idiot had taken the next step and explained how IR radiation (which is what he mentioned before switching to EM) worked, it could be tested.
And guess what?
Temperature changed flaking can happen, but it does not produce sand.
To get sand you need more than just weathering, you need the active transport and tumbling that then reduces the flakes to sand grains.
But the directionality is always the same, higher objects get weathered and then transported to lower locations.
So the conventional model still rules, first you have to uplift stuff before you can wear it down.

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jar
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Message 101 of 121 (595915)
12-11-2010 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Buzsaw
12-11-2010 9:02 AM


Re: Bump to see if there is some other model.
That is not a model Buz, just word salad.
Buz writes:
Perhaps whatever/whoever made the planet made the first sand along with the soil.
How did it do that Buz, what is the model?
As usual, no model is presented other than the current one.

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Message 104 of 121 (595966)
12-11-2010 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Buzsaw
12-11-2010 3:37 PM


Re: Questions Pertaining To Current Model
Well, you failed to clarify the intent of your statement.
the current model is outlined in the Original Post, but I'll repeat it for you.
quote:
The current model for making sand is pretty simple. Start with a mountain, a big sucker of a rock. Then the daily transition between warm day time and colder night time, and between hotter summer and colder winter will cause expansion and contraction of the rock, gradually over long periods of time opening small cracks.
Again over time, water will fill the cracks and when it freezes enlarge the cracks, eventually breaking off pieces.
Again, over time the pieces are transported from higher elevations to lower ones by wind, water and gravity. During transportation they are broken up further, becoming smaller and smaller pieces.
Nothing is needed other than processes we can see at work today and lots of time.
Now, what is YOUR model for making sand?

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jar
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Message 106 of 121 (595972)
12-11-2010 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
12-11-2010 4:45 PM


Re: Questions Pertaining To Current Model
Did you read what I wrote?
The current model for making sand is pretty simple. Start with a mountain, a big sucker of a rock. Then the daily transition between warm day time and colder night time, and between hotter summer and colder winter will cause expansion and contraction of the rock, gradually over long periods of time opening small cracks.
Again over time, water will fill the cracks and when it freezes enlarge the cracks, eventually breaking off pieces.
Again, over time the pieces are transported from higher elevations to lower ones by wind, water and gravity. During transportation they are broken up further, becoming smaller and smaller pieces.
Nothing is needed other than processes we can see at work today and lots of time.[/quote]
Buz writes:
1. As per the current model, from whence came mountain size rocks?
From vulcanism and continental drift.
But again, the issue is NOT the current model, it is what the hell is YOUR model?
Buz writes:
2. As per the current model, at what point in time did the first boulder size rock exist?
Irrelevant and just another example of you trying to avoid answering the question.
What the hell is YOUR model?
Buz writes:
3. As per the current model, at what point in time did the first grain of sand exist?
No idea and it is as expected, totally irrelevant and just another example of you trying to avoid answering the question.
What the hell is YOUR model?
Buz writes:
4. Does the current model assume a time when all rocks were mountain size?
Too funny. Of course not. It takes time to build a mountain.
As expected, totally irrelevant and just another example of you trying to avoid answering the question.
What the hell is YOUR model?

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Message 109 of 121 (595984)
12-11-2010 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Dr Adequate
12-11-2010 8:44 PM


Re: Questions Pertaining To Current Model
I have no problem including chemical and mechanical weathering.
The point is that sand is created by first raising land up and then wearing it down.

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jar
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Message 113 of 121 (597329)
12-20-2010 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Buzsaw
12-20-2010 8:30 PM


Re: Questions Pertaining To Current Model
None of that is a model Buz. First learn what a model is, then come back.
AbE: to try to help Buz get a clue of what is needed.
Buz writes:
The Biblical literal model would be that the planet was, at the time God's spirit began to do the work on it, had a cold watery surface in which the water was mixed in the soil and the rock.
How did the spirit do anything? What evidence is there that there was any soil? what was don and how was it done?
{I'm calling it off-topic. Be careful what you respond to. - Adminnemooseus}
Edited by jar, : try to help Buz get started.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner and note.

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Message 115 of 121 (597337)
12-20-2010 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by lyx2no
12-20-2010 10:06 PM


Sun, moon, days, sand?
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