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Just being real
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Message 256 of 445 (589954)
11-05-2010 8:53 AM
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11-05-2010 8:36 AM


My emphasis. Your admission. Your call.
Oh I see now. Ya... your right again. One volcano could lay down multi-layers, but several "fountains of the deep" would only lay down one thin layer. My bad
Oh, and would you show us all the evidence that the eruption of Mt. St. Helens caused a flood? Only we must all have missed it.
Your right, it was only on every News source IN THE WHOLE FREEKIN WORLD. I can see how you would have missed it. So here's a link. Scroll down to the portion entitled "Mudslides flow downstream."

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Message 257 of 445 (589957)
11-05-2010 9:00 AM
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11-05-2010 8:34 AM


I see lots of layers.
Noachian Flud would have only one layer: the flud layer.
Please explain.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 258 of 445 (589964)
11-05-2010 9:46 AM
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11-05-2010 8:53 AM


Oh I see now. Ya... your right again. One volcano could lay down multi-layers, but several "fountains of the deep" would only lay down one thin layer. My bad
In case you are confused, perhaps I should explain that a volcano is not a flood.
If you wish to propose an actual physical model for the behavior of "the fountains of the deep", you will be the first person ever to do so.
Your right, it was only on every News source IN THE WHOLE FREEKIN WORLD. I can see how you would have missed it. So here's a link. Scroll down to the portion entitled "Mudslides flow downstream."
So ... downstream of the mudflow ... caused by a volcano and not a flood ... there was mud?
Yeah, I'd have guessed that.
Did this produce, in the geological record, any more than the thin layer of mud that I mentioned? (PS: the word NO is spelt N ... O.)
For some reason, probably because the eruption of Mt. St. Helens took place in the real world, and was not a magical impossible flood, it did not produce the magical impossible deposition that you poor suckers fantasize bout.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 259 of 445 (589973)
11-05-2010 10:31 AM
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11-05-2010 6:11 AM


A few minor problems...
I think the notion of a world wide flood is ridiculous. If there had been a global flood the evidence would be seen everywhere. You would expect to see layers upon layers of sedimentary rock in the earths crust, all laid down by water, and each layer would be full of fossils of creatures. And you would expect that all the smaller less mobile creatures to be found closer to the bottom, and as the layers progressed upward, you would find the more mobile life forms.
What's that? The earths crust is full of layers upon layers of sedimentary rock laid down by water? These layers are full of fossils that progress from the less mobile to the more mobile?
Oh... never mind...
One problem: the sedimentary layers you are describing are not all the same age. They span some billions of years.
Another problem: the flood is generally described as being about 4,350 years ago by biblical scholars. At that time period you have soils, not rocks. And soils of that age are very easy to find. You probably have some in your back yard. As an archaeologists I have excavated probably over a hundred sites containing soils of that age. Soils of that age are just ordinary dirt, not layerss of sedimentary rock. In fact, we have fine continuity of soils, human cultures, fauna and flora, mtDNA lineages, etc. from before that date to after that date for thousands of years. There is no evidence of interruption by a flood.
Still another problem: we can find evidence from the end of the last ice age of floods in a number of places. Google "channeled scablands" to see some nice ones in southwestern Washington. Ice dams at the end of the ice age held back meltwater, then let loose periodically. That caused floods which scoured large areas. We can track those floods, determine their areal extent, date them, and even tell one from another. If there was a much larger flood much more recently one would expect it to wipe out the evidence of these earlier floods and leave similar evidence behind. Didn't happen.
Face it, the global flood is a myth contradicted by scientific evidence.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 260 of 445 (589989)
11-05-2010 11:38 AM
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11-05-2010 8:34 AM


A chance to actually learn something.
Jbr, here is a great chance for you to actually learn something but it will take a little more effort than just glancing at pictures.
First, those two pictures only look similar if viewed by people very ignorant about even basic geology.
Would you actually like to learn why that is true or are you happy in your ignorance?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Architect-426
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Message 261 of 445 (596418)
12-14-2010 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Dr Adequate
09-06-2010 2:26 PM


Re: Sea-Floor "spreading" is false - Plate Tectonics is finished
Hi Doc,
The vid of the Icelandic volcano of course is a fissure-type eruption in which magma is simply being ballistically ejected onto the surface and will dry wherever it lands. It is not, however, spreading the crust in any manner of the concept. Obviously the fracture opened first providing a linear conduit for the magma to rise vertically, not horizontally as per the irrational plate tectonic spreading idea.
Iceland itself is indeed a plate tectonic anomaly as when one studies the bathymetry of the MOR formation, you can clearly see how Iceland formed due to a massive outpouring of basaltic lava OVER the MOR formation. Again, this copious eruption of magma did not spread apart the MOR, but spread out laterally on top of the MOR most likely due to massive crustal concussions that occurred during the Flood. I don’t negate the rifting occurring at the MOR’s, however dubbing the MOR’s as spreading centers when to this day I still have not seen a physical test to support such a concept (yet the compression scenario can be/has been tested), is simply an effort to support the childish idea of Pangea breakup all because scientists think that all of the continents used to be bunched up like a giant meatball. By all means, ignore all of the massive volcanism on all continents because sure enough when you have to address those, then poor ‘ol Pangea becomes nothing but a cartoon diagram and thus is only true in one’s imagination. Spherical mechanics are out the window as well. Heck, any kind of true mechanics is out the window with the foolish play tectonic theory.
To answer your question as to the why no one has published a theory debunking sea-floor spreading, I can give two plausible reasons;
One, since science is hell-bent on old-earth evolution, then Pangea had to exist in order for evolution to be true and thus support an ever-so-slow continental drift mythology. Thus plate tectonics has become the adopted bastard theory of geology and is referred to in every geological publication because the Earth is old due to the asinine sea-floor spreading idea. Dammit all to hell if anyone comes along to contradict the pet play toy plate tectonic theory with real scientific observations forever sending the theory into the throws of pseudo-science making just about the entire scientific community look pretty sheepish. Therefore no one in earth science speaks out against it (yet this is why we have groups like New Concepts in Global Tectonics).
Secondly, perhaps few people have taken a fresh look at the overall PT theory and reveal it for the absurdity that it is. Therefore I am perhaps one of those few who is a PT "holdout" as there is no way in hell a mm/yr movement of any kind formed the surface of the Earth. The plate tectonic theory is ludicrous from A to Z, but according to science, everything on the crust of the Earth is due to some kind of whimsical continental collision.
I had a professor who worked for the famed Architect Hugh Stubbins on the design of the Citi-Corp Building. He was a mean ‘ol cuss and I’ll never forget what he told an architecture student in jury about his high-rise building. He said your design is F’d up and ugly. Nothing else needed to be said. Student returns to studio with his tail tucked, scraps design and starts over. I’ll say the same for the asinine, irrational, non-observable nor testable plate tectonic theory; It is indeed F’d up and ugly, time to scrap it.

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Architect-426
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Message 262 of 445 (596421)
12-14-2010 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by frako
09-06-2010 5:14 PM


Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - "movement" measured in minimeters...
***im guessing that GPS data that america is moving away form Europe at about 2 cm per year (not actualy sure could be a bit more or less i forgot) would not convince you that plate Tectonics is still happening has happend and will be happening for a long long time.***
I’m guessing that 2 cm/year is about as ridiculous as it comes in terms of plate tectonics actually doing anything. I’m also guessing that practically the entire scientific community, including yourself, does not realize how incredibly comical stating these alleged cm/yr of plate movement truly sounds. Therefore (no guessing on this one), plate tectonics is hopelessly impotent and is thus incapable of stacking rocks in situ. Perhaps some Viagra should to be injected into the lithosphere so the plates can, well, giddy up a bit
As far as accuracy of GPS in measuring these bastardized plates;
GPS accuracy is affected by a number of factors, including satellite positions, noise in the radio signal, atmospheric conditions, and natural barriers to the signal. Noise can create an error between 1 to 10 meters and results from static or interference from something near the receiver or something on the same frequency. Objects such a mountains or buildings between the satellite and the receiver can also produce error, sometimes up to 30 meters.
Source: GPS Accuracy - How Accurate is it? - Maps Gps Info
Please note it says meters, not centimeters. I’m guessing this inaccuracy fact just flushed the cm/yr assumption of "plate" movement down the crapper
So is America really moving away from Europe at, 2cm/year? Or is it 3?? Maybe 3.5 Heck, lets push it to a whopping pedal-to-the-metal FOUR centimeters per annum That’ll do Now we can put this in a book telling everyone that the entire N. American continent, from New York to LA, is moving at a breakneck FOUR minimeters away from Europe. And we’ll even label the book as science
Hey! Did you hear about the near plate tectonic collisional miss in NYC? The Brooklyn plate was spreading west at 2cm/year heading right toward the Jersey plate. Luckily, the granitic Manhattan plate broke off from Ireland some 200 milliard years ago and floored it to 5cm/year and lodged itself right between Brooklyn and the Hudson palisades. That was a close call and the residents of Hoboken are cheering "hurrah" for plate tectonics...
Edited by Architect-426, : changed heading

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Message 263 of 445 (596424)
12-14-2010 8:30 PM
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12-14-2010 6:57 PM


Bleh content hidden
{Low quality non-topic snark hidden - Adminnemooseus}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Low quality non-topic snark hidden. Change subtitle to "Bleh content hidden".

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Message 264 of 445 (596426)
12-14-2010 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Architect-426
12-14-2010 6:57 PM


Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - "movement" measured in minimeters...
I’m guessing that 2 cm/year is about as ridiculous as it comes in terms of plate tectonics actually doing anything.
I don't understand what's ridiculous about it.
Please note it says meters, not centimeters.
Sure, but only when mountains or buildings are in the way.
The measurements aren't being made in buildings or valleys, so buildings and mountains aren't a concern. The measurements are being made continuously over months and years so weather and satellite positions aren't a concern - we'll just take the measurements from the clearest days and the strongest signals.
So is America really moving away from Europe at, 2cm/year?
Yes, without any scientific doubt, it is. The fact that, in your ignorance, you find the idea risible is not evidence that it is wrong.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 265 of 445 (596429)
12-14-2010 9:48 PM
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12-14-2010 6:57 PM


Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - "movement" measured in minimeters...
I’m guessing that 2 cm/year is about as ridiculous as it comes in terms of plate tectonics actually doing anything.
2 cm/year is about as unridiculous as it comes in terms of producing effects of the magnitude of 2 cm/year. You know, as in the theory of plate tectonics.
I’m also guessing that practically the entire scientific community, including yourself, does not realize how incredibly comical stating these alleged cm/yr of plate movement truly sounds.
You are correct in guessing that practically the entire scientific community disagrees with you.
Perhaps you should have a little think about why that is the case.
Therefore (no guessing on this one), plate tectonics is hopelessly impotent and is thus incapable of stacking rocks in situ.
I notice that you have omitted any actual reasoning here.
GPS accuracy is affected by a number of factors, including satellite positions, noise in the radio signal, atmospheric conditions, and natural barriers to the signal. Noise can create an error between 1 to 10 meters and results from static or interference from something near the receiver or something on the same frequency. Objects such a mountains or buildings between the satellite and the receiver can also produce error, sometimes up to 30 meters.
That's why they (a) make multiple measurements (b) use two other methods besides GPS (c) make their measurements over a number of years (d) do not make their measurements from points where mountains or buildings are in the way or where there is a source of static interference.
Perhaps this would be a good time to point out that scientists are not idiots. Unlike some people I could mention.
---
I notice that you have a belt-and-braces approach to denial. Wouldn't it be enough either to deny that movement of 2 cm/year has any effect, or to deny that it occurs? Why make a fool of yourself twice?

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Message 266 of 445 (596474)
12-15-2010 1:25 AM
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12-14-2010 6:48 PM


Re: Sea-Floor "spreading" is false - Plate Tectonics is finished
The vid of the Icelandic volcano of course is a fissure-type eruption in which magma is simply being ballistically ejected onto the surface and will dry wherever it lands. It is not, however, spreading the crust in any manner of the concept.
I did not claim that it was. I merely pointed out that lava does not spread radially from a linear fissure.
As the rest of your post seems devoted to vacuous rhetoric, I shall pass over it in silence.

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Message 267 of 445 (596475)
12-15-2010 1:41 AM
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12-14-2010 6:57 PM


Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - "movement" measured in minimeters...
Architect-426 writes:
I’m guessing that 2 cm/year is about as ridiculous as it comes in terms of plate tectonics actually doing anything. I’m also guessing that practically the entire scientific community, including yourself, does not realize how incredibly comical stating these alleged cm/yr of plate movement truly sounds. Therefore (no guessing on this one), plate tectonics is hopelessly impotent and is thus incapable of stacking rocks in situ. Perhaps some Viagra should to be injected into the lithosphere so the plates can, well, giddy up a bit
This is one of the most incredibly ignorant statements I have ever witnessed in this forum.
Just for one little example of which there are thousands, let us consider the town of Hollister, California.
The primary claim to fame Hollister has is that it was the inspiration for the movie the The Wild One when a bunch of proto-bikers descended upon the city and a few fistfights occurred a few years after WW2, thus inspiring an entire cultural phenomena.
The next claim to fame is that the high school built bleachers directly over the San Andreas fault, otherwise known as the boundary between the Pacific and North American plates in this tectonics you swear does not exist.
The bleachers were put up in 1957 IIRC, by 1977 they were diagonally displaced by 18", which to anyone with a calculator can figure as 22.5 mm or 2.25 cm per year.
This example is famous among people who actually study the earth as opposed to the ignorant who pronounce without the slightest semblance of knowledge or experience. The movement is largely continuous and evidenced by thousands. I have seen it myself.
So what should I believe? Direct evidence of tectonic movement between plates that I have personally seen over a few years or you?
I think I will see that which God demonstrates directly over those who willfully deny the work of God for their personal ego and therefore violate the first commandment -- along with the one against bearing false witness.
Troll?
Edited by anglagard, : add a 'has' after Hollister claim to fame. I hate improper English usage although ESL is excusable.

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Message 268 of 445 (596567)
12-15-2010 4:45 PM
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Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - "movement" measured in minimeters...
Just for one little example of which there are thousands, let us consider the town of Hollister, California.
Ahh yes. Hollister, CA. Home to the world's slowest moving sidewalk:
USGS URL Resolution Error Page

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Percy
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Message 269 of 445 (596583)
12-15-2010 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Architect-426
12-14-2010 6:57 PM


Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - "movement" measured in minimeters...
Since you never responded I'll repeat my message of around a hundred messages ago: The evidence that drove development of the theory of plate tectonics derived from two primary sources: magnetic striping of the sea floor, and magnetic orientation of continental rocks. GPS measurements of plate motions constitute a modern confirmation of plate tectonic theory but had nothing to do with its development.
Discussion should focus on the evidence. This website from JPL seems to have a lot of data:
You seem to have concerns about the accuracy of GPS measurements. If you have a smartphone then likely it contains a relatively cheap GPS. There's an app from Google called My Tracks that will track your changing location and print your walk on a Google map. Give it a try. You'll find that while not perfect it's pretty amazing, accurately tracing your walk within what looks like a meter or two. And this is the cheap GPS in a smartphone that uses a minimal number of satellites.
There are around 30 GPS satellites in orbit around the Earth, and the GPS units that track plate motions use as many as possible to get as accurate a measurement as they can. Here's the first five latitude measurements from 1999 from a location somewhere in Russia that is abbreviated as ARTU:
1999.5975  -0.693436197167540E+01   0.851536067620572E-01  ARTU  LAT  99AUG07
1999.6002  -0.707926705202013E+01   0.125585290834725E+00  ARTU  LAT  99AUG08
1999.6030  -0.714020361668277E+01   0.967321745031352E-01  ARTU  LAT  99AUG09
1999.6057  -0.685404981125024E+01   0.858388004027393E-01  ARTU  LAT  99AUG10
1999.6085  -0.679913182516119E+01   0.920924900760683E-01  ARTU  LAT  99AUG11
The two long numbers correspond to latitude measurements beginning on August 7, 1999. You can see how on the following 4 days the measurements are not the same. They vary a bit, but not by much.
Now here's the most recent data from the same file for five days beginning on October 17, 2010:
2010.7926  -0.689359657529702E-01   0.731120744556672E-01  ARTU  LAT  10OCT17
2010.7953   0.110442898543228E+00   0.727011889147903E-01  ARTU  LAT  10OCT18
2010.7981   0.143929935131040E+00   0.731549501942847E-01  ARTU  LAT  10OCT19
2010.8008  -0.500485992662375E-01   0.727535461386790E-01  ARTU  LAT  10OCT20
2010.8036  -0.383706806629519E-01   0.727560993672530E-01  ARTU  LAT  10OCT21
While the day to day measurements bounce around, the variation is within a narrow range. As you can see, between 1997 and 2010 the range of values in the first numerical column increased from around -7.0 to around 0, and the range of values in the second numerical column decreased from around .1 to around .075.
It would be very helpful to have more information about what these numbers mean, maybe someone knows where it's described? Or maybe there's another site where the data is documented better?
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Correct miscalculated value of .9 to be .1.
Edited by Percy, : Typo.
Edited by Percy, : Fix links.
Edited by Percy, : Fix link.

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Message 270 of 445 (596829)
12-17-2010 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Architect-426
12-14-2010 6:57 PM


Re: Plate Tectonics is a joke - "movement" measured in minimeters...
Hi Architect-426,
I'm trying to find more detailed information for you about how GPS is used to make accurate estimates of the position and velocity of continental plates. The page that you quoted from, GPS Accuracy - How Accurate is it? - Maps Gps Info, includes some of the information. GPS as originally implemented can be inaccurate, but that page goes on to describe three technologies (AGPS, DGPS and WAAS) that greatly improve GPS accuracy. Go back to that page to read a few details about each of them.
Positions and velocities for plate tectonics do not suffer from some of the problems associated with moving vehicles. If you want to know the current position of a car or plane you only have one shot at it, but a continental plate moves so slowly that you can repeat the same measurement over and over and over again. Here's a brief quote from SCIGN Module Redirect | Southern California Earthquake Center about how accurate plate position measurements can be:
JPL writes:
Later, the data collected by the receiver can be processed again by scientists to determine different things, including another set of position coordinates for the same antenna, this time with millimeter accuracy.
From what I'm able to piece together, the process operates like this: Each GPS station makes repeated measurements of its position 24 hours a day. Those positions are recorded and analyzed to produce a single position for each day that has millimeter accuracy. Errors average out.
I found a slide set that confirms this (Page not found – UNAVCO), see slide 5 that states:
  • Position data collected every 30 seconds
  • One position estimate developed for each day
    • North
    • East
    • Vertical
AbE: You mentioned Iceland. I found a webpage with data from eastern and western Iceland (http://cws.unavco.org:8080/...heet_Iceland_GPS_2010Jul19.pdf). The western end of Iceland is moving northwest, while the eastern end is moving northeast. In other words, the two ends of Iceland are getting further and further apart.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Add Iceland information.
Edited by Percy, : Typo.
Edited by Percy, : Another typo.

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