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Dr Adequate
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Message 16 of 144 (589877)
11-04-2010 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
11-04-2010 8:57 PM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
The RCC Inquisition, i.e death and torture lasted for centuries from the 12th century, officially ending in the 19th century.
So, I guess that wasn't a golden age.
When was?

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frako
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Message 17 of 144 (589936)
11-05-2010 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dr Adequate
11-04-2010 9:04 PM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
So, I guess that wasn't a golden age.
When was?
Hmm i am starting to think there was no golden age of the bible, no time where humanity was better of because of the bible that cant be true can it?
Though the arch nemesis of the bible the evil and blaspheming science had or is having a golden age, thanx to science the average life span is 70 years insted of 30, thanx to science i can poste this on the internet, thanx to science i can drive insted of walk, thanx to science there is enough food to feed 6 billion people insted of 1 billion, thanx to science children have a better chance of surviving birth ...........
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nwr
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Message 18 of 144 (589943)
11-05-2010 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
11-01-2010 9:30 AM


Theodoric writes:
Can Buz and others tell us when the golden age of biblical principles was. When did the calamitous decline start?
The golden age was the period before the great decline.
The great decline began with the emancipation proclamation (1863), and reached its peak in the civil rights and desegregation activities of the 1960s.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 19 of 144 (589947)
11-05-2010 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by frako
11-05-2010 6:59 AM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Though the arch nemesis of the bible the evil and blaspheming science had or is having a golden age, thanx to science the average life span is 70 years insted of 30, thanx to science i can poste this on the internet, thanx to science i can drive insted of walk, thanx to science there is enough food to feed 6 billion people insted of 1 billion, thanx to science children have a better chance of surviving birth ...........
Frakos conclusions concerning the realites that allow him to achieve such things are much like the Catholics misguided assumptions that because in a certain year, when they confirmed what everybody ALREADY KNEW concerning what constitued Gods word, the misguided conclusion was that they somehow gave us the Bible.
Of course nothing could be further from the truth, the Holy Spirit gave us his Word and man was aware of it long before any council, passed it as acceptable
Frako gloats in the fact that he has discovered, come upon Gods truths and gifts in the natural world, as if he is some sort of genius and science somehow gave us what was ALREADY THERE, by Gods hand in the first place.
Hey frako you heard of the guy that challenged God to a creation attempt and God scooped up a handful of sand created a human and the scientist said no problem
He scooped up a handful of sand and God said "wait a minute, YOU GET YOUR OWN SAND."
Made any sand lately, Frako?
Dawn Bertot
Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 20 of 144 (589950)
11-05-2010 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Dawn Bertot
11-05-2010 8:26 AM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Well, your ravings aside, the question is a very simple one.
When precisely, were the good old days --- the time when people were Christians and everything was just dandy?
All you have to do is name a date. Any time in the last 2,000 years is good.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 21 of 144 (589955)
11-05-2010 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Dr Adequate
11-05-2010 8:34 AM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Well, your ravings aside, the question is a very simple one.
When precisely, were the good old days --- the time when people were Christians and everything was just dandy?
All you have to do is name a date. Any time in the last 2,000 years is good.
Well I was hoping you would have been able to see my direct and indirect implications in this instance, obviously not, so come on Ill take you by the hand and take it slow so even you can understand it.
A golden age of reality or Gods Word is whatever man wishes it to be at any given time depending upon his faithfulness, ie, "Blessed is the nation whos God is Jehovah"
The rise and fall of Gods tenets is not dependant upon its truths only but upon any group of people that wish to follow or accept it at any given time
If I am not mistaken, that is still in place atleast in this country correct. I also believe you fellas, the non-believers are still in the very small percentage correct?
I believe this nations God is still Jehovah correct, or did I miss a staff meeting that would suggest otherwise
Im here if you need help Dr
Dawn Bertot
Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 22 of 144 (589956)
11-05-2010 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dr Adequate
11-04-2010 7:22 PM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
Dr Adequate writes:
Protestants burnt witches and heretics too.
LoL, Doc. These actions perpetrated by these Protestant zealots were not Biblical NT sanctioned. They made the mistake of applying OT laws given by Jehovah to the tiny messianic nation of Israel to the new Christian dispensation of grace, mercy and salvation via the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
In the NT, the way Jesus dealt with things like adultery, etc, was to evangelize and convert via the regeneration of the indwelling Holy Spirit into the beings of men/mankind. It became the new Gentile dispensation.
Dr Adequate writes:
But in any case, let us for the sake of argument say that, when people went around burning other people, they were No True Christians and that these were ages in which not-really-Christianity held sway. Then these periods, therefore, were not the golden age of Biblical principles, according to Buz. We shall make a note of it.
So when was?
First off, the alleged golden age of NT Biblical principles was both regional and ideological. The Protestant Reformation, with all of it's faults began (I say began) to reform the Western block nations into NT Biblical principles. By the grace of God, the US of A became the most benevolent, productive, prosperous, and God blessed nation of free enterprise and personal freedom in history so long as the Biblical principles were honored, both in government and in the public sector.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 23 of 144 (589959)
11-05-2010 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by frako
11-05-2010 6:59 AM


Re: Nobody on this side hates science
Oh by the way frako, nobody here hates science, but science is not God. I love science and scientists. Go science
Dawn Bertot
Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

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Coragyps
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Message 24 of 144 (589960)
11-05-2010 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Buzsaw
11-05-2010 8:59 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
so long as the Biblical principles were honored, both in government and in the public sector.
Do you mean "Biblical principles" like slaughtering the folks that were native to the land, a la Joshua? Or can you perhaps point out a time when our government honored some other set of Biblical principles, like banning the consumption of catfish and shrimp?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 25 of 144 (589962)
11-05-2010 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Buzsaw
11-05-2010 8:59 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
LoL, Doc. These actions perpetrated by these Protestant zealots were not Biblical NT sanctioned.
But I'm not saying that they were.
Let us say, for the sake of argument, that when Catholics burnt Protestants and when Protestants burnt Catholics and when Protestants burnt other Protestants for being the wrong kind of Protestants, they weren't being real "NT sanctioned" Christians.
Fine.
But what you have been asked --- what you have been asked repeatedly --- what I am now asking you again --- is to tell us when was the Golden Age when real proper Christians were in charge and everything was hunky-dory.
All you have to do is name a date. When were the Good Old Days?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 144 (589971)
11-05-2010 10:26 AM


Re: Decline Of The Golden Age
I forgot to address the decline of the relative golden era in the last message, in addressing Dr Adequate's 2nd question. There has been some ebb and flow of this, but the decline began to escalate steadily after WWII, when the women left the homes as homekeepers, many of the fathers at war and two parents bringing up their children in Biblical principles, many of the homes being single parents via war deaths/disabilities and mothers emerging into the work place.
In the early 1960s some things began to escalate the decline, one being the Hippie generation and another being the end of real value money which could be exchanged for silver at the local bank. This was global.
This was when the calls for banning of freedom of religion in the perameters of all levels of government by athiests like Maddam Murry O'Hare, the emergence of gays from their closets, obsenity and depravity escalation in Hollywood, live-ins replacing marriage vows, decline of the Biblical male leadership role, in and the media moving into the homes via television, increasing surrender of national soverignty to the UN world body and ever expanding government regulations/size etc became ever louder and more prevalent.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 144 (589974)
11-05-2010 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Dr Adequate
11-05-2010 9:35 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
Dr Adequate writes:
.....Protestants burnt Catholics and when Protestants burnt other Protestants for being the wrong kind of Protestants.......
What? Miniscule and short lived timeframe, by a few zealots compared to the millennium plus centuries of genocide by and other religious sects, not to mention that it was not NT Bibically sanctioned and the past century long genocide via secularistic non-religious totalitarian governments.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 28 of 144 (589977)
11-05-2010 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
11-05-2010 10:34 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
What? Miniscule and short lived timeframe ...
And I am sure that this would be a great consolation to the people who were tortured and then burned alive by Protestants. When they died in agony in the flames, they must have received much consolation from the fact that some guy like you in the twenty-first century would call their suffering "minuscule and short lived".
NOW WILL YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION?
You and people like you lament our secular society because we have fallen away from the golden age of Christianity.
When and where did this golden age take place?
It's a very direct and simple question. All we want is a place and a date.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 144 (589991)
11-05-2010 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Dr Adequate
11-05-2010 10:51 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
DA, it appears that Jar's MO of repeating answered questions is rubbing off on you. Sad.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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jar
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Message 30 of 144 (589994)
11-05-2010 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
11-05-2010 11:44 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
Then perhaps he will be more successful than I in actually getting you to provide links to the posts where those answers can be found.
The fact is Buz, that the US has NEVER fulfilled even one single treaty that it has made with the Native Americans and continues to desecrate their Holy Places.
So when is this supposed Golden Age of biblical principles?
Are not honor, truth and trust biblical principles?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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