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Dr Adequate
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Message 132 of 229 (570431)
07-27-2010 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by pelican
07-27-2010 10:10 AM


I realise your views may have changed since posting this but are they still concerned with money? I feel we normally relate to these parables according to our own experiences and I don't relate to any of the characters or the situation.
But what I see is that some workers were satisfied with their pay until they saw others getting a better deal. They complained of the others being equal (in pay) to them.
I don't think the parable reflects god's or Jesus' morals but reflects ours. It reflects who we are being, not what we are doing.
The meaning seems plain enough to me:
* People who repent towards the end of an ill-spent life (the "eleventh hour", as the text says) get the same heavenly reward as those who were obedient to God all along.
* God can do that if he likes (it's his grace, after all).
* People who've spent their lives being pious shouldn't bitch and moan because those who repent at the eleventh hour get salvation on what they consider easy terms. After all, it's no skin off their nose if other people get into heaven too, and they themselves thought the deal that they took was fair or they wouldn't have taken it.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 133 of 229 (570432)
07-27-2010 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by pelican
07-27-2010 10:42 AM


Re: Parables 101 revisited
I know many believers substitute god for the master and humans as the servants but I don't see any possible reason to connect god with that of master or landowner in any of the parables.
Well, it makes sense of them. They become statements of Christian theology rather than pointless little stories about people who make poor economic choices for no particular reason.
Also if Jesus meant god, why wouldn't he say "god?"
That's what makes them parables.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 158 of 229 (570711)
07-28-2010 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by pelican
07-27-2010 9:05 PM


This is good stuff. The parable worked insofar as it evoked an expression of self. The parable makes no mention of repentance ...
That's what makes it a parable.
The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe doesn't mention Jesus, but it's still a Christian allegory.
... and doesn't Jesus warn that we cannot know when the 'eleventh hour' will come?
Is that relevant?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 204 of 229 (590424)
11-08-2010 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by jar
11-07-2010 11:38 AM


Re: Next Parable: The Shrewd Manager
So you say that the last line should be discarded ...
Yes, jar.
C'mon.
If there is one line in the Bible which is definitely an interpolation, that's it.
Is that not simply taking things out of context ...
No --- it's the context that makes me so certain that it is an interpolation.

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Message 205 of 229 (590425)
11-08-2010 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by Phat
11-07-2010 10:33 AM


Re: Next Parable: The Shrewd Manager
This parable blew me away when I first read it. Does it mean that we are to strike deals with whomever can help us? Even as a Christian, I will strike a deal with either the union or my employer, whichever helps me to get the wages i deserve. Perhaps the point of the parable, however, is that it is friends and contacts who are important...not wages.
The meaning seems plain enough if you ignore the stupid "explanation" of the meaning.
It's a parable. Like all Jesus' parables which on the surface are about economics, it is not in fact advice about economics and should not be followed as such.
What it's actually doing is presenting a paradox about grace and forgiveness. By their nature, all sins are sins against God. Therefore, we mere mortals have no moral right to go about forgiving people for their sins. That's downright blasphemy. And yet God prefers it if we do in fact do that. It's better than the alternative of not forgiving people their sins. He permits us to do so and wants us to do so even though we have absolutely no right to do so. This is what the parable means.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 210 of 229 (604530)
02-12-2011 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by thewordofgod
02-12-2011 10:16 PM


Re: Here's another parable given by God
God's literary style sure has declined in the last two thousand years.

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