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Topic: Golden Age of biblical principles?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 6 of 144 (589685)
11-03-2010 8:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Coragyps
11-03-2010 8:01 PM
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There sure are a bunch to choose from. It could be the effect expansion of Christianity by fire and sword around 1000, or again about 500 years later or again about 250 years after that or ... More than enough genocide and oppression to fit anybodies definition of a Golden Age.
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
What is so funny is if Buz actually read what I wrote there was no mention of any "Dark Ages."
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 15 of 144 (589876)
11-04-2010 9:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
11-04-2010 8:57 PM
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Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Again Buz, the Inquisition is NOT what I referenced. And you are just playing the normal Not a Real Scotsman tactic. We are all familiar with that one. So we await your definition of the Golden Age of biblical principles. Who knows, maybe it is the American genocides?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 30 of 144 (589994)
11-05-2010 11:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Buzsaw
11-05-2010 11:44 AM
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Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
Then perhaps he will be more successful than I in actually getting you to provide links to the posts where those answers can be found. The fact is Buz, that the US has NEVER fulfilled even one single treaty that it has made with the Native Americans and continues to desecrate their Holy Places. So when is this supposed Golden Age of biblical principles? Are not honor, truth and trust biblical principles?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Get your own sand...
And so perhaps Dawn Bertot will actually present the Intelligent Design/Creationist model of How to make sand.
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 61 of 144 (590368)
11-07-2010 7:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Buzsaw
11-07-2010 7:23 PM
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Conquered territory?
It has long been, also the most benevolent nation ever, sacrificing our best young men in wars, liberating the oppressed, without grabbing those nations and adding them to our, empire as Russia did, i.e the block of Communist nations, including East Germany in the last century. So are you claiming that the Golden Age begins AFTER the US stops taking land by conquest? If so, where do you place that date? After the 1890s? After the overthrow and conquest of Hawaii? After the conquest of the last Native Americans? After the Spanish American War? Do you consider the fact that we are still occupying lands that were given to other Nations under Treaty?
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jar
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Dawn Bertot offers no answers.
Dawn Bertot writes: Simplicity must be the watchword for you fellas. How can I support the claim when you will not give an explanation of what you think a golden age is or is not, according to the Bible or Buzz Buz made the claim that there was some Golden Age of biblical principles. You are correct, we cannot define what a Golden Age is or what a biblical principle is or what period Buz is referring to since Buz has not told us what he means by any of those terms. Until you or Buz explains to us what a biblical principle is, what Buz meant by a Golden Age and what made it a Golden Age, and when such an event was supposed to have happened, you are correct, we cannot give an explanation. But it is not for want of trying. Should you happen to have the answers to those questions then perhaps we can then question and test those answers.
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Dawn Bertot offers no answers.
You still have not addressed my post so I will quote it yet again for you.
jar writes: Buz made the claim that there was some Golden Age of biblical principles. You are correct, we cannot define what a Golden Age is or what a biblical principle is or what period Buz is referring to since Buz has not told us what he means by any of those terms. Until you or Buz explains to us what a biblical principle is, what Buz meant by a Golden Age and what made it a Golden Age, and when such an event was supposed to have happened, you are correct, we cannot give an explanation. But it is not for want of trying. Should you happen to have the answers to those questions then perhaps we can then question and test those answers. Until you or Buz explains to us what a biblical principle is, what Buz meant by a Golden Age and what made it a Golden Age, and when such an event was supposed to have happened, you are correct, we cannot give an explanation.
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Dawn Bertot writes: Uhhhhh, lets say "love your neighbor as yourself" and a golden age would be where the scriptures is used by that society as a rule of moral principles, by the vast majority examples of this would be the Jewish community of Old, for thousands of years, who could deny that and the 1800s and the forties and fifties of this nation, where the Bible was held up as the nearly sole standard for moral conduct So let me get this straight. Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: So let me get this straight. Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans? Me thinks you are stalling hop to it Dawn Bertot I have no idea what your reply has to do with the question I asked so I will try again. So let me get this straight. Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans? Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals Dawn Bertot Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals. The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices. Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as they self?" Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as they self?" A golden age does NOT mean that everything is perfect and everybody gets everything exacally right. it means that jehovah is its God and his word is repected by the majority Your definition of Golden age is slighted wouldnt you say I doubt that you can point to where I claimed everybody gets everything exactly right, but just in case, here is the post you are replying to.
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Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans? Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals Dawn Bertot Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals. The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices. Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?" Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?
I was not the one making the claim that the 1800s were some Golden Age and that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans. You made that claim. I supplied evidence. So far you are simply asserting that the evidence is insufficient. You may have heard of the campaign slogan and song "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too"? Do you understand what happened at Tippecanoe? If you want I will continue to point out examples that the average American did not "Love your neighbor as yourself" during the 1800s. So again, ... Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?"
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Dawn Bertot writes: Yours and theos arguments in no way destroy the concept that in that time period the masses worshiped and upheld the Bible as the standard, even if they got some things backwards or wrong. However that was NOT your claim and is irrelevant to the topic, so once again I will post the content that you are supposedly replying to.
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Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans? Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals Dawn Bertot Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals. The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices. Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?" Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
What people are doing at some other time is irrelevant to YOUR claim. Just in case you missed it, here it is again.
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Dawn Bertot writes: jar writes: Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans? Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals Dawn Bertot Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals. The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices. Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?" Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 120 of 144 (590796)
11-09-2010 8:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 114 by Buzsaw
11-09-2010 8:22 PM
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Re: Decline Of The Golden Age
Buz writes: The problem with the Civil Rights movement was it went to far towards the decline of freedom. Rights of employers and landlords were taken, employer requirements for minorities, women's rights, children rights and animal rights gay rights etc. All of these so called rights for designated classes infringed on the rights of others and increased government and bureacracy. School districts were required to buy buses for integration of students. Those are just to mention a few. Thanks Buz. I could not have made a better case.
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