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Topic: Golden Age of biblical principles?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 1 of 144 (589257)
11-01-2010 9:30 AM
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Buz made a comment in the Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration thread that I think deserves to be expanded on. In Message 33 Buz says the following.
Buzsaw writes: Sadly, Western cultures are rapidly declining in these (Biblically prophesied end of Gentile age days) of apostacy, commensurate with the decline of Biblical principles. This whole line is off topic for that thread, but in order for the non-religious to understand the thinking of the religious fundamentalists here, I think we need to explore this topic. Can Buz and others tell us when the golden age of biblical principles was. When did the calamitous decline start? My premise is there never was such an age. I and others will attempt to refute there was such an age if Buz and other fundies argue there was.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 2 of 144 (589630)
11-03-2010 3:41 PM
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Issue?
Is there an issue with this topic proposal? This topic is an attempt to keep off topic items out of other threads, primarily the Atheist Appreciation of Biblical Wisdom and Inspiration thread. The comment by Buz is something we see occasionally on many threads. I think it is a topic that can support its own thread.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 47 of 144 (590304)
11-07-2010 2:14 PM
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So neither Buz or DB will commit.
I leave for 4 days I see we have gotten no where. I thought it was a simple question, but to be honest, I knew that buz would not commit to a time. I also knew Db would get involved and not make any commitments. Come on Buz. You repeatedly reference a time when were people more christian and "better" people. When was it? Or is the argument truly what I thought it was; bullshit. If you cannot provide an answer then every time you attempt the argument in the future we will remind you that you could not support the argument.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Is that your answer?
I gave you the example of the 1800s in this country to which you paid no attention Final answer? Why do you feel this was a golden age?
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: It seems such a nutty topic for a thread
There were many golden ages of Christianity, just the same way there were many golden ages of Islam and other countless religions Then why has it been so hard for people to answer?
We can do this all day long because it is a idiotic contemplation Theo has posed Why idiotic? Please explain.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Is that your answer?
here is a simple one for a simple person. All your insults do is make you continue to look like a fool. Did you even read the OP? Did you read what Buz said? If you don't agree with Buz then just say so. But do not try to change the premise this thread or hijack into a thread so you can just continue to spout nonsense and insults.
How can you contentions concerning Christianity and its success be anything but relative andhow does your disagreement of mine make Christianity wrong and/or unsucessful? What does the have to do with the thread? Take your off topic crap elsewhere.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 65 of 144 (590376)
11-07-2010 8:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Buzsaw
11-07-2010 7:23 PM
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When?
During the golden age many were not Christians and many were outlaws etc, but it was an era when the Christian majority influenced the mindset of folks in power towards Christian Biblical principles. When was this time? You keep on saying there was such a time, but as of yet you refuse to tell us when it was.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: It seems such a nutty topic for a thread
Because the answer is always going to be relative, depending on who is viewing the results
No shit.
Why can you not see this point.
What makes you think I can not see this point? Please show that I do not understand that the answer is "relative". If you cannot then quit suggesting I cannot.
If I am wrong define what success would be for Christianity and watch me disagree Really not sure what sentence 3 has to do with sentence 1 and 2. But then again word salad and non sequiturs seem to be your specialties.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Is that your answer?
Yes I read it, so what. My point is that because you do not understand the nature or purpose of the bible, your question makes absolutley no sense If you think it is not relevant then don't post to the thread. I have asked you very nicely to not attempt to lead this thread off topic. This is the topic. Can Buz and others tell us when the golden age of biblical principles was. When did the calamitous decline start? This is Buz's claim not mine. If you do not support his claim there was some sort of golden age then you should not be posting to this thread. You can just say there was no such period and leave it at that.
Or at best it is irrational unless you show why such a query is relevant Can you show why it is relevant? That you think it is irrational is of no concern to me. I do not have to prove any sort of relevance to you. Please stop trying to distract this thread. I have asked nicely. Next time I will request admin help.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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WTF?
And ofcourse this what Theos query is indirectly implying, even though I cannot get him to state the implication of his contention in the first place Buz claims there was some sort of golden age. All I am asking is when was it and do people think there was one. There is no implication. Do you want to contribute constructively or not? I am asking more forcefully this time. Do not sidetrack my thread making baseless assertions. Either stay on topic or leave.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Stay on topic or leave the thread
Will you please stay on topic.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Again, please stay on topic
This is my final request. If you continue trying to move this from the topic in the OP, I will request active admin moderation
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Care to elaborate?
Ok, I claim that time was the 1800s in this country and the forties and fifties in this country. Now what? 1800's is an interesting choice. But ti shows a complete lack of historical context and a failure to be able to separate myths from reality. Did the genocide of native americans have a biblical impetus? Do you think religion and biblical principles were a driving force on the frontier? Did you know that it was legal to transport women for the purpose of prostitution? In 1858 prostitution was a bigger business than shipping and brewing combined. SourceWomen couldn't vote in the 1800's. Slavery was a normal part of life for most of the 19th century. Then again in some people eyes these are biblical principles. The 1800's you say. Really? So any evidence that people followed biblical principles more at that time? Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Care to elaborate?
As usual you and others fail to distinquish between the leadership and the average person in the area at that time.
So the average person supported the womans right to vote? Prostitution was forced upThe bible was respected, worship and churches were prevelent[/qs]
Care to provide evidence? No anecdotes please. Evidence.
but for the greater part God and his word were respected as the sole rule
Lots of assertions and absolutely no evidence.
The 1800s were most certainly a golden age of the Bible and its principles
By asking you to elaborate I was not looking for assertions. I was hoping you could show some evidence that would support you position. I guess it was silly of me to expect any evidence form you.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
that in that time period the masses worshiped and upheld the Bible as the standard I'll bite and I will make it simple for you. Give me one piece of evidence. Show me evidence that the masses did what you assert.
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