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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
No. As usual, you have posted incomprehensible gibberish. Your audience is watching DA, just answer the questions. Your good at demanding that others answer questions, dont let your audience down DA Your continual evasion by insult looks really bad DA
I believe that you've said that English isn't your first language, but that's not your main problem. Your real problem is that the stuff you say doesn't make any darn sense --- not just in the sense that it's wrong (which it often is) but that it's meaningless. When you manage to say something so meaningful as to be actually wrong, that's you having a good day. The typical response by someone that does not know how to debate is ridicule. You accuse Buzz and myself of not being able to provide a time when there was a golden age We have provided such a time and you disagreed with it. Big surprise So I asked you to give your definition of Golden age and your response was you did not know, it was Buzz's claim Therefore, (this is a logical conclusion DA, if you dont recognize it) if you are not aware of or cannot give a rational definition of or an explanation of what constitutes a golden age, How will you claim that such has not taken place, if you do not even know what it (golden age is) constitutes You do understand that a part of debating is explanation of terms correct, especially when you are suggesting such did not take place, correct Come on DA give us a rational way to proceed, give us an explanation of Golden age, that which you say did not happen You do understand alittle about debate dont you? Im beginning to think you dont Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
This is the topic. Can Buz and others tell us when the golden age of biblical principles was. When did the calamitous decline start? This is Buz's claim not mine. If you do not support his claim there was some sort of golden age then you should not be posting to this thread. You can just say there was no such period and leave it at that. Simplicity must be the watchword for you fellas. How can I support the claim when you will not give an explanation of what you think a golden age is or is not, according to the Bible or Buzz Im telling you point blank that, the/A golden age is when a nation collectively makes the Bible the rule in a moral concept. Thje 1800s and the 40s and 50s in this country are good examples of such If you disagree you need to show why you think it is not a golden age and then we proceed from that point to see who is correct from a Biblical perspective. Since a Biblical golden age is what you are seeking correct? If its not then explain what in the hell a golden age is according to you Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I suggest that instead of being pompous and stupid simultaneously you should try to alternate between them. So you refuse to answer the question while you demand that others do so? Your audience is watching DA, very bad form Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Buz made the claim that there was some Golden Age of biblical principles. If I am not mistaken and Buzz can correct me if I am wrong, but i am sure he simply meant an age where a society say like the jewish community of old, held it to the highest standard But isnt this true of any ideology, you can go through history and find peoples and places where a certain religion was the sole practive of its members I really dont see what the fuss is about Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
That is the point. There was no "Golden Age" It has been nothing but exploitation, in the name of "Christianity." But there is yet another point to be made in that connection. It doesnt take everybody getting it correct all the time for it to be valid or useful assuming that a society or a nation has to get it all correct for it to be valid or useful is simply nonesense And ofcourse this what Theos query is indirectly implying, even though I cannot get him to state the implication of his contention in the first place The conclusion therefore is that Christianity is valid, is affective, is benificial, is useful Now that we have disagreed about the Golden age principle, perhaps we could see his implication to begin with Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I had not looked on us as currying favor with an audience, but since you mention it, I have a member rating of 4.1 and you have a member rating of 2. So it seems that in this respect it is not I who stand in need of your advice. yeah and i believe Jaywill has a rating of 3 something and you a four, so that should tell you something of the rating system I wonder how many fundamental Christians here influence the rating system? Hmmmmm? Bad form DA, very bad form. You should have spend you time responding to arguments instead of providing us with trumped up credentials Oh Im sorry Jaywill only has a 2.8. That should really drive home the necessity of you needing someone elses advice You could start by taking advice about your rate here at the site. Yiiiiiikes Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Until you or Buz explains to us what a biblical principle is, what Buz meant by a Golden Age and what made it a Golden Age, and when such an event was supposed to have happened, you are correct, we cannot give an explanation. Uhhhhh, lets say "love your neighbor as yourself" and a golden age would be where the scriptures is used by that society as a rule of moral principles, by the vast majority examples of this would be the Jewish community of Old, for thousands of years, who could deny that and the 1800s and the forties and fifties of this nation, where the Bible was held up as the nearly sole standard for moral conduct Im just courious how many times I need to keep repeating an answer to your question If you disagree then we can discuss the simply ridiculous application of your and theos query to begin with Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
nwr writes:
Much of what you post is indeed incomprehensible gibberish. Panda writes:And to increase the level of confusion that DB brings: It would be more interseting to the audience if you would simply give an example of my miscomprehension and gibberish, instead of claiming it as such If and when you dont do this I will therefore to consider it a failure on your part to demonstrate your assertion Please by all means feel free to demonstrate your point from any of my posts. I am not in the habit of making comments I need to retract or cannot defend at a later date Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
So let me get this straight. Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans? Me thinks you are stalling hop to it Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans? Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Buz claims there was some sort of golden age. All I am asking is when was it and do people think there was one. There is no implication. Do you want to contribute constructively or not? I am asking more forcefully this time. Do not sidetrack my thread making baseless assertions. Either stay on topic or leave. Ok, I claim that time was the 1800s in this country and the forties and fifties in this country. Now what? Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
1800's is an interesting choice. But ti shows a complete lack of historical context and a failure to be able to separate myths from reality. Did the genocide of native americans have a biblical impetus? Do you think religion and biblical principles were a driving force on the frontier? Did you know that it was legal to transport women for the purpose of prostitution? In 1858 prostitution was a bigger business than shipping and brewing combined.SourceWomen couldn't vote in the 1800's. Slavery was a normal part of life for most of the 19th century. Then again in some people eyes these are biblical principles. The 1800's you say. Really? As usual you and others fail to distinquish between the leadership and the average person in the area at that time. The bible was respected, worship and churches were prevelent there was then as there is now prejudices that existed, but for the greater part God and his word were respected as the sole rule jars yours an others examples do not address the average person that made up the masses Should we judge all Catholics by a fews perversion in the leadership. Do the vast majority of Catholics honor catholic doctrine? Im going to bet they do The 1800s were most certainly a golden age of the Bible and its principles Its only when the simple are influenced by yours and others sloppy logic that a decline starts Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as they self?" A golden age does NOT mean that everything is perfect and everybody gets everything exacally right. it means that jehovah is its God and his word is repected by the majority Your definition of Golden age is slighted wouldnt you say Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I supplied evidence. So far you are simply asserting that the evidence is insufficient. Yours and theos arguments in no way destroy the concept that in that time period the masses worshiped and upheld the Bible as the standard, even if they got some things backwards or wrong. Your and Theos illustration would be equivolent to someone in the year 2100 looking back and saying well crank was prevelant and in use so the vast majority of the people must have smoked crack do the vast majority of people today smoke crack or take crack, however it is ingested, Jar and theo, I DOUBT IT Todays reality is just like the one back then, the VAST majority of people were simply hard working, worshiping people While your examples are valid as history, they are silly to make the argument that that is how the majority of people acted, anymore than that is the REALITY TODAY. tell me fellas what are the majority of people doing today? The "evidence" you and theo provided are isolated in nature and would be equivolent to events today and they have very little to do with the majority While prositution is available today would you say that even 20% of our population participates in it? I wouldnt, and I would be correct My bet is that the other more than 90% are just hard working, worshiping Americans You "arguments" and examples fall to the ground. The 1800s were an example of an golden age, of Bible respect Put that in your smipe and poke it Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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