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Author Topic:   Golden Age of biblical principles?
frako
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Message 4 of 144 (589677)
11-03-2010 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
11-01-2010 9:30 AM


Can Buz and others tell us when the golden age of biblical principles was. When did the calamitous decline start?
Well the golden age of biblical principles was during the dark ages in Europe.
Those where so happy days where any heretic would get tortured by varius contraptions desighned to inflict the maxsimum possible pain whitout killing the victim.
such contraptions to name a few where:
The iron maiden the spikes where desighned to miss vital organs and block the blood from flowing out of the wound so the victim would feel the pain of gods wrath for as long as possible before going to hell.
The rack was desighned to dislocate as many bones as possible to inflict as much pain as possible to the victim so he would confess to his transgression and by doing so god would show mercy after he was burned at the stake or beheaded.
A special device for women who where evil heretics, blasphemers, adulterers, erotic mages, or abortionists it was called the brest ripper, metal clamps desighned to grab the brests where heated and used to tare out the brests of these evil women.
And let us not forget the Pear a device that was inserted oraly, vaginaly or analy and used to tare those openings apart.
There where many more devices one more cruel than the other all used to make those evil heretic repent and to save their souls. Oh those where the days when the principles of the bible where held in high regard, and where not even death could save the heretics no the pure and good bible worshipers would dig them out of their graves and put them on trial. And if they where found guilty all their evily gained possesions would go to the good, god fearing church.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 8 of 144 (589742)
11-04-2010 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
11-03-2010 8:11 PM


Well the decline began in 1834 when the inquisiton was abolished, and it took a steep dive when the pope in 1998 where the pope adressed the international syposium on the inquisition.
"The Inquisition belongs to a tormented phase in the history of the Church, which . . . Christians [should] examine in a spirit of sincerity and open-mindedness." However, the Pope also stated that "before asking for forgiveness, it is necessary to know the facts exactly and to recognize the deficiencies in regard to evangelical exigencies in the cases where it is so."
from The Aftermath of the Inquisitions | HowStuffWorks
and later it was found that only 99 people where exsicuted in italy, spain and portugal. I wonder how many died when they where forced to confess or after they confessed, by natural causes ofcourse. And gods will he showed his will by the infections, and other desieses that they got after the curch stopped torturing them. And i wonder if i took a look at the documents myself if i could find some more.

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frako
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Message 11 of 144 (589780)
11-04-2010 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw
11-04-2010 11:26 AM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Deuteronomy 18:10-12 "No one shall be found among you who makes a son or daughter pass through fire, who practices divination, or is a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, or one that casts spells, or who consults ghosts or spirits, or who seeks oracles from the dead. For whoever does these things is abhorrent to the Lord"
Exodus 22:18 prescribes "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"
Samuel 28, reporting how Saul "hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land"
it looks like doing bad things to witches is in the bible, so who is reading the bible wrong the Curch or you?
It weighs upon you or anyone else to cite New Testament evidence that the stuff you cited is NT (Christian) Biblical.
so the whole old testament should be torn out, cause it is wrong except for the flood, creation and other stuff right those things you can leave in, cause you gave it your blessing and it is the law and word of god.
As for the OT scriptures, I have repeatedly cited the fact that the only Biblical carnage related to Israel and sanctioned by Jehovah was confined within one tiny nation, Israel, for the express purpose of Jehovah to establish a messianic kingdom for the future. The only time Israel, either then or now in modern times has ever struck beyond their Biblically designated borders was for defensive purposes and their own survival.
a so the good old days of biblical principal go back to the times before jesus cause quite soon after him witch hunts began.
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frako
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Message 17 of 144 (589936)
11-05-2010 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dr Adequate
11-04-2010 9:04 PM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
So, I guess that wasn't a golden age.
When was?
Hmm i am starting to think there was no golden age of the bible, no time where humanity was better of because of the bible that cant be true can it?
Though the arch nemesis of the bible the evil and blaspheming science had or is having a golden age, thanx to science the average life span is 70 years insted of 30, thanx to science i can poste this on the internet, thanx to science i can drive insted of walk, thanx to science there is enough food to feed 6 billion people insted of 1 billion, thanx to science children have a better chance of surviving birth ...........
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frako
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Message 33 of 144 (590005)
11-05-2010 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Dawn Bertot
11-05-2010 8:26 AM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Of course nothing could be further from the truth, the Holy Spirit gave us his Word and man was aware of it long before any council, passed it as acceptable
i hate to dissapoint you but i see no holy spirit, and man kind was not aware of it until your religion came to power.
Frako gloats in the fact that he has discovered, come upon Gods truths and gifts in the natural world, as if he is some sort of genius and science somehow gave us what was ALREADY THERE, by Gods hand in the first place.
yes and your religion tried to keep it from us i wonder why? And i still havent seen anything pointing to there being a god anywhere.
Hey frako you heard of the guy that challenged God to a creation attempt and God scooped up a handful of sand created a human and the scientist said no problem
He scooped up a handful of sand and God said "wait a minute, YOU GET YOUR OWN SAND."
When god says something like that in front of me i might buy it that he made the sand, and that he exsists.
so back on topic what has your bible done for humanity lately, where is that golden age you where talking about

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frako
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Message 36 of 144 (590023)
11-05-2010 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Dawn Bertot
11-05-2010 9:05 AM


Re: Nobody on this side hates science
Oh by the way frako, nobody here hates science, but science is not God. I love science and scientists. Go science
Dawn Bertot
well your religion hated science for quite a while if a scientist could not explain why the erth orbits the sun and not the other way around in a way that the priest could understand it he got a lifetime home imprisonment sentence for being a heretic.
aggain when was this golden age of the bible when everybody was better of because of the bible?

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frako
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Message 38 of 144 (590120)
11-06-2010 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
11-04-2010 8:57 PM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Umm, so buz when are you going to tel us about the golden age of biblical principals?

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frako
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Message 46 of 144 (590252)
11-07-2010 4:55 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Dawn Bertot
11-06-2010 9:14 PM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Nice dodge frako, the point was that the early church was well aware of what constituted writings by the apostles and which ones were not authentic.
shure that is why they did not include the writings like the ones found in the dead see scrolls that give women more rights
In the same way it is easy to recognize where the physical world came from. the fact that you and others can extract usages out of it, in no way makes science God
i never said science was god i never said there was a god of any kind, i did say science did more for man kind then the bible ever did and science only had its freedom for 200 years.
it seems that that the majority of the scientest can make these discoveries without assuming and jumping to the conclusions that you and a VERY few others do. The majority of us can keep it in its proper perspctive
Yes the majority of scientist do not include god in their theories
how would you recognize him, when he told you he was God, you deny and doubt that as well
well for one if he could make something alive out of sand whit a snap from his fingers it would go a very long way to me beliving he is god.
Give me the parameters, in your mind, that would suggest that a certain ideology reigns supreme. perhaps you believe evolution or science reigns supreme in this country
At any rate give me the parameters before you ask a loaded question
lets see what youve got
Dawn Bertot
Parameters that a certin ideology raighns supreme a simple one it always stays on the moral side of the argument, science does not deal whit moral issues so it fails and religions from the bible are more often on the wrong side then the right. Though that is not the question the question is where and when was the Golden age of the bible. A golden age would be where the majorty was way better of because of something in this case the Bible.

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frako
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Message 48 of 144 (590313)
11-07-2010 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Theodoric
11-07-2010 2:14 PM


Re: So neither Buz or DB will commit.
I leave for 4 days I see we have gotten no where. I thought it was a simple question, but to be honest, I knew that buz would not commit to a time. I also knew Db would get involved and not make any commitments.
Come on Buz. You repeatedly reference a time when were people more christian and "better" people. When was it? Or is the argument truly what I thought it was; bullshit.
If you cannot provide an answer then every time you attempt the argument in the future we will remind you that you could not support the argument.
I think the dawn of the golden age of the bible is now not because the people are better off because of it but casue it finaly lost the hold it had over the masses. For milenia it has been used a ralying banner for ware, it has been used for suppression of minoreties or those that do not met the standard, it has been used to slow progress and the gaining of knowlage now a time has finally arrived when in MOST places it cannot be used for those things.

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frako
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Message 98 of 144 (590615)
11-09-2010 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 11:34 PM


Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Well the in the 1940 the Germans used the bible to condemm Jews. And used it to support their claim that they are the chosen race.
1800 to 1900 Was a golden age of science not the bible it was the age of inventions.
1950 the bible lost most of its power over the masses and rock and role was borne

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frako
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Message 104 of 144 (590710)
11-09-2010 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by hooah212002
11-09-2010 1:01 PM


Re: WTF?
I bet you think jeebus is a white dude, huh?
Sure he is a blond blue eyed white dude that was borne the middle east, what makes you think he was not?
Back on topic there is no age that could be considered a golden age of biblical principles by todays standards. If you bring any bible stomper from any age especialy from the dark ages to this age they would say that the we are all satan worshipers. And if you read any history books the bible did not do anything good for the people ever it was always used as a tool to keep the poor in chek, to rally them to ware, for political gain, personal gain ........

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frako
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Message 134 of 144 (591454)
11-14-2010 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Buzsaw
11-09-2010 8:22 PM


Re: Decline Of The Golden Age
The problem with the Civil Rights movement was it went to far towards the decline of freedom. Rights of employers and landlords were taken, employer requirements for minorities, women's rights, children rights and animal rights gay rights etc. All of these so called rights for designated classes infringed on the rights of others and increased government and bureacracy. School districts were required to buy buses for integration of students. Those are just to mention a few.
Um sorry to disapoint you but those are not rights, rights are things that cannot be taken away, if you think your rights cannot be taken away ask the Japanese Americans that lived during WW2 and they will tell you all about these rights.
All of the above are not rights they are privilages .

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