Golden Age of biblical principles?

A golden age does NOT mean that everything is perfect and everybody gets everything exacally right. it means that jehovah is its God and his word is repected by the majorityYour definition of Golden age is slighted wouldnt you sayDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

So the average person supported the womans right to vote? Prostitution was forced upThe bible was respected, worship and churches were prevelent[/qs] Care to provide evidence? No anecdotes please. Evidence. Lots of assertions and absolutely no evidence. By asking you to elaborate I was not looking for assertions. I was hoping you could show some evidence that would support you position. I guess it was silly of me to expect any evidence form you.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

I doubt that you can point to where I claimed everybody gets everything exactly right, but just in case, here is the post you are replying to.

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Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?

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Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals

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Dawn Bertot

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Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals.

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The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices.

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Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?"

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Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?

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I was not the one making the claim that the 1800s were some Golden Age and that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans.You made that claim.I supplied evidence. So far you are simply asserting that the evidence is insufficient.You may have heard of the campaign slogan and song "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too"? Do you understand what happened at Tippecanoe?If you want I will continue to point out examples that the average American did not "Love your neighbor as yourself" during the 1800s.So again, ...Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?"

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Yours and theos arguments in no way destroy the concept that in that time period the masses worshiped and upheld the Bible as the standard, even if they got some things backwards or wrong.Your and Theos illustration would be equivolent to someone in the year 2100 looking back and saying well crank was prevelant and in use so the vast majority of the people must have smoked crackdo the vast majority of people today smoke crack or take crack, however it is ingested, Jar and theo, I DOUBT ITTodays reality is just like the one back then, the VAST majority of people were simply hard working, worshiping peopleWhile your examples are valid as history, they are silly to make the argument that that is how the majority of people acted, anymore than that is the REALITY TODAY.tell me fellas what are the majority of people doing today?The "evidence" you and theo provided are isolated in nature and would be equivolent to events today and they have very little to do with the majorityWhile prositution is available today would you say that even 20% of our population participates in it? I wouldnt, and I would be correctMy bet is that the other more than 90% are just hard working, worshiping AmericansYou "arguments" and examples fall to the ground. The 1800s were an example of an golden age, of Bible respectPut that in your smipe and poke itDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

However that was NOT your claim and is irrelevant to the topic, so once again I will post the content that you are supposedly replying to.

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Dawn Bertot writes:

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jar writes:

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Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?

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Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals

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Dawn Bertot

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Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals.

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The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices.

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Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?"

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Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

what were the vast majority of Americans doing when "we" invaded Gernada, jar.You need to answer questions Jar and quit repeating yourself. responding to peoples arguments and questions is a part of debate, you do realize that , correct?Dawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

What people are doing at some other time is irrelevant to YOUR claim.Just in case you missed it, here it is again.

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Dawn Bertot writes:

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jar writes:

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Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?

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Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals

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Dawn Bertot

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Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals.

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The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices.

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Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as thy self?"

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Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The problem with the Civil Rights movement was it went to far towards the decline of freedom. Rights of employers and landlords were taken, employer requirements for minorities, women's rights, children rights and animal rights gay rights etc. All of these so called rights for designated classes infringed on the rights of others and increased government and bureacracy. School districts were required to buy buses for integration of students. Those are just to mention a few.As for the Bible, it's numerous prophets as well as Jesus and the apostles specify the end times relative to the corroborated signs which I've aluded to in other threads as a definite era of relative rapid decline culminating at Armageddon and the emergence of the prophesied messianic kingdom.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

Yea, god forbid someone force you to eat next to niggers, Buz. You are pathetic and a piece of shit. I'll take my 24 hours for this.Edited by hooah212002, : context

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

I'll bite and I will make it simple for you. Give me one piece of evidence. Show me evidence that the masses did what you assert.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

To the exact contrary. Employers and businesses are suffered to exist at the pleasure of the public, and the public determined via the courts and via the Civil Rights Act that if businesses wished to remain open, they would have to desist racist discrimination.The Constitution offers no right to be a racist, nor to engage in discrimination. The freedom to infringe on the freedom of others to move freely, engage in business, and work for a living is not a freedom guaranteed by the Constitution, regardless of your racist desires. The Civil Rights Act expanded freedom - it did not contract it. There's no such freedom as "the right to discriminate."Only someone possessed of a deep and abiding animus against those of another race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation construes it as you do, Buz. Take a long look in the mirror.

As I said, "too far" is your perception. Others see the balancing of rights as "not far enough yet".Remember that a lot of the people behind the Civil Rights movement were Christians - for example, a fellow named Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. It's interesting that Christians like to take credit for the initiative to abolish slavery, yet they balk at going one step further by giving the freed slaves equal rights. Calling that a "decline" is downright perverse.Ecclesiastes disagrees with you. There's nothing new under the sun. There were never any good old days.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Dr. Adequate, you're adequacy level of debate is waning here in this message, decrying the escape of the oppressed people from Europe and GB, risking life and posessions for freedom in the Americas.Here's the deal. If you're serious, to be fair to whom you consider the oppressed, you need to find yourself an oppressed descendent of one of the tribes cited and hand over all you have to their nation; your land, because you think it belongs to them and your stuff for repatriation. You're being hypocritical claiming deed to land which IYO does not belong to you.If you care to open a thread on the topic which you're aluding to, I'll be happy to weigh in as to your inadequate position on this count. Edited by Buzsaw, : update subtitle

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

Thanks Buz.I could not have made a better case.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!