Does evidence of transitional forms exist ? (Hominid and other)

"So, how do Young Earth Creationists explain this evidence ?"
--I was hoping I wouldn't get myself in too many more topics. But what I've found is that all the transitionals that scientists would be to propose by common descent of humans is they are either apes, unusual apes, or their human. Which one doesn't fit into one of these catagories?------------------

"You're absolutely spot on - 100% right - totally accurate. They are indeed either apes, unusual apes, or human - that's what transitional forms are all about! And the fun part is trying to discover how they transistioned from ape / unusual ape to human.And the conclusion is - humans, in a fundamental sense, are unusual apes."
--So which ones are their that claim to be transitionals? We can discuss them, and the unusual apes, my argument would end up being somewhere along the lines, of they couldn't be transitional because they are 'too' different, ie, they are unique and unable to cope with the theory on Human evolution.------------------

"How would be being between one form & another too different?"
--Because the difference that would be present, may be too much for the theory to cope with, mabye through examples we would take it into more consideration. They just may be another type of ape, for instance, not a transitional.------------------

"What do transitionals have to do with apes, per se?"
--Well 'ape-like' creatures, the question of human ancestry (transitionals)."? Can you explain why horse embryos have 3 toes, but the adult horse rarely does (the splints have sidetoes)? A true vestigial trait. Curiously, the fossil record shows a slow reduction in toes/ toe functionality in horses. Can you explain this remarkable corroboration?"
--Reference?------------------

"How do you know this is your response without seeing the evidence?"
--I don't know that this would be my response exactly, I am asking for the examples so we can come to that. I was stating that this is one of the problems that I have seen argued with some transitionals.------------------

"Can you explain the vestigial, atavistic traits found on some horses that I outline in messages 16 & 20?I couldn’t find anything that answered my question in AiG, could you elaborate?"
--I didn't find anything in the AiG link either, though I remembered that you posted this vestige before so I searched the forums for it. I got here: http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&f=1&t=85&p=2--I believe this is the reference you are making (16th and 20th post), I thought that I already answered it though I guess I didn't see it. I found the Gould reference helpful:Fetal Growth of a Horse Foot - http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/horse_growth.htmlI couldn't find any other references toward this development, such as true pictures or something of the like, let alone another reference. I'll have to trust that these are correct and arent leaving anything out. I find it speculative that the 2 adjacent clips of bone seem as if they are directional bones to keep a porportionate feature from developing as a deformity (or could be an attachment so that the in-set bone won't just float off of the body in embryonic development at a time (shrugs)). Do the two adjacent bones have a name?------------------

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"Sorry if I missed your earlier answer, the structures are clearly toes, they even have separate bones. Why would anything need to hold the leg in place? We don't have anything to stop our shins from "drifting off"."
--Do these two adjacent bones to the 'middle toe bone' have a scientific name or classification of some sort? It would help significantly so I could attain mor information on this vestige.------------------

Thanx for the names, I could readily find more information on these bones. AiG's explination is as follows:

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In particular, the horse’s splint bones serve several important functions. They strengthen the leg and foot bones, very important because of the enormous stress that galloping puts on the legs. They also provide attachment points for important muscles. And they form a protective groove that houses the suspensory ligament, a vital elastic brace that supports the horse’s weight as it walks.

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--Though I was rather confused when reading this: http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/livestock/horses/facts/89-093.htm

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"Splints" are the direct result of an injury to the periostium (tissue covering the bone) or an injury to the interosseous ligament (tissue tying the splint bone to the cannon bone). These injuries to the horse may be the result of direct trauma, such as a kick or a concussion type trauma resulting from jumping, running or working. As the horse matures, the interosseous ligament slowly calcifies, fusing the splint bones to the cannon bone, allowing it to better withstand the concussion type trauma of working and the horse is therefore less likely to develop "splints". Most often, the forelimbs are affected; rarely do "splints" occur in the hindlimbs.

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