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Author Topic:   Which religion's creation story should be taught?
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Message 187 of 331 (584140)
09-30-2010 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by jar
08-22-2010 6:14 PM


Re: NOT founded for religious/Christian reasons
since the 2 exclude each other,

i think you should teach the greek creation story, it makes way more sense

http://www.cs.williams.edu/~lindsey/myths/myths_16.html the whole story


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Message 189 of 331 (584159)
09-30-2010 4:13 PM
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09-30-2010 3:24 PM


Re: NOT founded for religious/Christian reasons
strangely it can be molded to fit science

In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.

big bang, some stuff made everything else one part of the mater made the earth.

After much fighting the younger generation won. With Zeus as their leader, they began to furnish Gaia with life and Uranus with stars.

after much time the earth formed the stars formed and life got started

Soon the Earth lacked only two things: man and animals. Zeus summoned his sons Prometheus (fore-thought) and Epimetheus (after-thought). He told them to go to Earth and create men and animals and give them each a gift.

plants where the first thing on the soil, now its time to evolve some animals and some intelligence

Prometheus set to work forming men in the image of the gods and Epimetheus worked on the animals. As Epimetheus worked he gave each animal he created one of the gifts. After Epimetheus had completed his work Prometheus finally finished making men. However when he went to see what gift to give man Epimetheus shamefacedly informed him that he had foolishly used all the gifts.

after the animals evolved we need some intelligence lets make a man from the ape like creature, and give him something that will set his dominance

Distressed, Prometheus decided he had to give man fire, even though gods were the only ones meant to have access to it. As the sun god rode out into the world the next morning Prometheus took some of the fire and brought it back to man. He taught his creation how to take care of it and then left them

lets teach the man how to use fire he can use the principle to asert his dominance on the planet. nooooosss he might get too smart too fast!!

Out of the box flew all of the horrors which plague the world today - pain, sickness, envy, greed. Upon hearing Pandora's screams Epimetheus rushed home and fastened the lid shut, but all of the evils had already escaped.

once self awarnes kicks in man finds out he got screwed

Later that night they heard a voice coming from the box saying,

"Let me out. I am hope."

well things might get better we have brains after all maybe we can get rid of all this bad stuff


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Message 247 of 331 (589658)
11-03-2010 5:53 PM
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11-03-2010 9:55 AM


Re: Federal Government document!?!?!?!?
Yes. The Dead Sea Scrolls include fragments of Genesis and commentary on Genesis

Um let me get this striaight you are saying that archeological evidence suports that the world was formed before the sun cause they found some scrolls that say so. Is this realy what you are trying to say? Or am i reading something wrong


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Message 249 of 331 (589674)
11-03-2010 7:19 PM
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11-03-2010 7:07 PM


Re: Dead Sea Scrolls
Yes, that's what I'm saying

I was not expecting to be taken seriously, but I don't know what other kind of archaelogical evidence might show some event that happened before humans existed.

um an aincent alien data storage device


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Message 255 of 331 (589732)
11-04-2010 5:56 AM
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11-03-2010 9:25 PM


Re: Old Earth Creationism is working in Sunday Schools!?!?
However, the focus of this string is “If we are to teach creation in public schools, which creation story should we teach?”

all of them preferably in history classes or none of them and stick to science.


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Message 276 of 331 (590981)
11-11-2010 5:03 AM
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11-11-2010 1:27 AM


Coyote writes:

quoteretty thin gruel there, eh? But creationists are used to making things up from nothing so it fits right in.

True, but part of the problem has to do with the fact that we're dealing with 18th-century language and means of thinking. That is, the people in the 1700s weren't completely oblivious to the idea of atheism, but it wasn't treated in the same way we do today and the sheer pervasiveness of religion was different than it is today. Thus, the First Amendment talks about "establishment of religion."

Since atheism isn't a religion, one could come to the conclusion that this means the government is free to establish atheism, but that wouldn't be the best solution. Official denial of the existence of god by the government can be just as burdensome to the idea of "freedom of religion" (a phrase which does not appear in the Constitution) as does official endorsement of same.

Instead, the best idea is to remain neutral on the subject and simply not say anything, one way or the other. Yes, religion has played an important part of our cultural history and it would be a disservice to the Humanities to ignore that. So yes, the government can do things like preserve churches of historical significance with government funds. But just as it is completely inappropriate to put "In God We Trust" on the money, it would be just as bad to put "There Is No God" on the money, too.

It isn't because atheism is a religion and that would be establishment. It's that it would endanger free exercise and call into question equal treatment under the law. Imagine how a believer would feel walking into court and having to hear the judge pause to officially denounce the existence of god. To have signs on the wall extolling the virtues of living without belief. Could the participants really expect a fair hearing with such official animus thrown against them?

So atheism should be treated in the same manner as religion not because it is a religion but rather because its establishment harms the free exercise of religion of others.

This wiill be a bit offtopic, though the usa is known for having laughable court trials, like someone suing god for not giving him a talent to play guitar, or a microwave company cause they did not put do not dry your cat in the microwave on the manual. Has anyone tried to use the god did it defense in any trial and got away whit it.

Edited by frako, : No reason given.


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Message 279 of 331 (591016)
11-11-2010 10:59 AM
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11-11-2010 10:38 AM


Every single insurance company when trying to avoid making a payout considers using that defence.

Oh yea the act of god clause, in most countries it is usless though, in slovenia we went arround that clause by insuring for specific disasters or problems if you inshure for fire and your place burns down you get paid no mattter if lightning caused the fire, though if it gets hit by a hurricane your fire insurance is worth shit.

the act of god clause was a big hit in the 16 hundreds where the insurance guy would say yea you pay me and if something happens to your stuff il pay for the damages, then lightning strikes your house and it burns down he says well that is clearly an act of god he wants you to lose your hous i cant pay you. A nother win for christian morals.

To not go so far off topic

How can you promote any religions creation story if that religion is only in place to screw whit the poor people.


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Message 281 of 331 (591021)
11-11-2010 11:21 AM
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11-11-2010 11:04 AM


There are 2 types of people: one type uses knives to cut bread and another type that uses knives to stab you in the face.
Religion has been used for good and bad.

Teaching a non-scientific subject as science is the mistake IMHO.

I think ORGANISED religion should be banned altogether, you wanna pray and and accept jesus as your savior be my guest but do it at home dont go selling your religion at mass, or on tv and then laugh how gullable those idiots are for giving you their money. Or at least it should be TAXED hard. And a restraining order from schools at least one mile away.


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Message 284 of 331 (592221)
11-19-2010 7:53 AM
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11-18-2010 11:19 PM


Also we could throw 'em to the lions, it totally worked for Nero.

No some publick flogging would do

No seriusly organised religion should be Taxed like any other organisation.

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Message 285 of 331 (592703)
11-21-2010 9:56 AM


An interesting fact

According David Barrett et al, editors of the "World Christian Encyclopedia":

there are 19 major world religions which are subdivided into a total of 270 large religious groups, and many thousands of smaller ones. Among these various faith groups, we guess that there are probably at least 500 different creation stories to draw from

http://www.associatedcontent.com/...and_intelligent_pg3.html


  
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