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frako
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Message 21 of 56 (592683)
11-21-2010 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by alschwin
11-21-2010 1:31 AM


The word polystrate is not a standard geological term, and is found most often in creationist materials.
In geology, such fossils are referred to as upright fossils, trunks, or trees. Brief periods of rapid sedimentation favor their formation. Upright fossils are typically found in layers associated with an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin, or with the accumulation of volcanic material around a periodically erupting stratovolcano. Typically, this period of rapid sedimentation was followed by a period of time, decades to thousands of years long, characterized by very slow or no accumulation of sediments. In river deltas and other coastal plain settings, rapid sedimentation is often the end result of a brief period of accelerated subsidence of an area of coastal plain relative to sea level caused by salt tectonics, global sea level rise, growth faulting, continental margin collapse, or some combination of these factors.[4] For example, geologists such as John W. F. Waldron and Michael C. Rygel have argued that the rapid burial and preservation of polystrate fossil trees found at Joggins, Nova Scotia was the direct result of rapid subsidence, caused by salt tectonics within an already subsiding pull-apart basin,[5] and resulting rapid accumulation of sediments. Contrary to the claims of creationists, these sedimentary basins are considerably smaller than the state of Texas. The specific layers containing polystrate fossils occupy only a very limited fraction of the total area of any of these basins.[6][7]
Polystrate fossil - Wikipedia
Geologists have also found that some of the larger polystrate trees found within Carboniferous coal-bearing strata show evidence of regeneration after being partially buried by sediments. In these cases, the polystrate trees were clearly alive when they were partially buried by sediments. The accumulated sediment was insufficient to kill the trees immediately because of their size. As a result, some of them developed a new set of roots from their trunks just below the new ground surface.[4] Until they either died or were overwhelmed by the accumulating sediments, these polystrate trees would likely continue to regenerate by adding height and new roots with each increment of sediment, eventually leaving several meters of former "trunk" buried underground as sediments accumulated.
Polystrate fossil - Wikipedia
And to be more thurough in the explenation
According to scientists, polystrate fossils are just fossils which were buried in a relatively short time span either by one large depositional event or by several smaller ones. Geologists see no need to invoke a global flood to explain upright fossils. This position of geologists is supported by numerous examples, which have been found at numerous locations, of polystrate, upright, trees completely buried within either late Holocene or historic sediments. These polystrate trees demonstrate that conventional geologic processes are capable of burying and preserving trees in an upright position such that in time, they will become fossilized.
Polystrate fossil - Wikipedia
Does this solve your un-informa-tism
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frako
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Message 32 of 56 (592882)
11-22-2010 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by alschwin
11-22-2010 3:46 PM


Re: Inverted polystrate trees?
If you still in denial check out the pictures for yourself
Page not found - IanJuby
I looked at the site and now im a firm believer Alelujjjjaaa praise Odin for carving us out of trees and giving us life
I read the whole site and found nothing that would convince me in the slightest of a global flood there are 1000 explenations that could account for a tree being found burried upside down.
And on a noter note in no pitcure there did i see a tree being pettrefied upside down in every pitcure you can clearly see the bottom part of the tree being in the right place at the bottom.
Though i am no geologist the lines that he drew on the picture make no sense to me.
and for this statement found on the site :
Colorado that was coalified at the top, petrified at the middle, and wood at the bottom.
I'm gonna need something more then his word.

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frako
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Message 39 of 56 (593078)
11-24-2010 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by alschwin
11-23-2010 8:11 PM


Re: Inverted polystrate trees?
Video titled experimenting with stratification below
YouTube
Hahaha that link got me 4 videos
Agents of Secret Stuff Trailer (Official)
Bella and "THE MUSHROOM" Incident
VlogVember: [HOLIDAY] TREE!
And the reason why i ROFLD
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 18)
Something all creationist should watch from part 1 to part thirty-sh

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frako
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Message 45 of 56 (593148)
11-24-2010 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by alschwin
11-24-2010 2:59 PM


Re: Inverted polystrate trees?
Than type Experiments in Stratification Part 3 into YouTube search. Don't look for excuses not to watch something you don't want to agree with
Now that i have the title i can look at the video you did not expect me to go trough all creo videos on youtube and guess which one you wanted me to look at. Some time tomorrow though im off to bead.
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frako
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Message 54 of 56 (593211)
11-25-2010 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by alschwin
11-24-2010 2:59 PM


Re: Inverted polystrate trees?
Ok i watched it, a simple way to test this the majority of rocks in rivers is turned the way the river flowed. The same should be seen in the strata.
Im not even going to touch the argument that water had to go faster then slower and then faster, and slower again cause god was probably causing this whit his remote clicking fast forward and normal play.
And even if all this would be true it still does not point to a global flood 4000 years ago. It points to a time when the continents as we know them where under water, for the continents to be flooded and them being on the same hight as they are now wather would haveto be at least 3000 meters higher then it is now so that at least the fossils on Triglav our sloveinan higehst moutin could have been deposited, the question would be where did all this water go to, How did all the fish and plants survive (no light for plants, and the salinity of the water would change killing off most of the salt water and fresh water fish species, like the trout for example it is very sensitive to "Ingredients" in the water changing)
And to throw back some creo arguments back at you.
- How do you know the sediments behved the same way as they do now
- How do you know that water behaved the same way it does now.

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