Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?

ok now go to that aerea and dig a litle to see if you can find some or preferably a lot of evidence that someone was there

Yes, Eliat is at the northeastern end of the Gulf of Aqaba, Yemen and Ethiopia are at the southwest end of the Red Sea.Now about highways. At the time of the supposed Exodus, the Gulf of Aqaba itself was the highway. There was constant traffic up and down the whole length of the Red Sea as well as the Gulf of Aqaba.It is only much later that the Romans built the physical roads, and they were the most likely sources for the marble columns that Wyatt claims he found.The importance of all this involves the Google Map I provided you. If you use the map you can even click on the terrain button and see the terrain. Well so far the only evidence you have presented is the Biblical verses and they tell us that the site is NOT Nuweiba beach.Here is how the story goes. In Exodus 13 the Israelites get up and leave. They don't go through Philistine (a folk that didn't even exist at the time) territory but through the desert.So let's try to follow the story.
View Larger MapNow what can we say for sure.We know that there were major trading center in the area, a port and even a canal from Suez to the Nile and a second at Eilat.Egypt controlled the areas along the Mediterranean Sea as well as the canal and port at Suez.The area between Suez and the Med is relatively flat and unpopulated and there is a chain of lakes (sometimes dry) extending north from Suez to almost the Med itself.Exodus 13 begins the journey.

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17 When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them on the road through the Philistine country, though that was shorter. For God said, "If they face war, they might change their minds and return to Egypt." 18 So God led the people around by the desert road toward the Red Sea. The Israelites went up out of Egypt armed for battle.

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19 Moses took the bones of Joseph with him because Joseph had made the sons of Israel swear an oath. He had said, "God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up with you from this place."

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20 After leaving Succoth they camped at Etham on the edge of the desert. 21 By day the LORD went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night. 22 Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.

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Succoth is thought to be in the eastern Nile Delta and according to the story they only travel to the edge of the desert.So...according to the story they do not go along the Mediterranean, they leave the eastern Nile Delta and go to the edge of the desert.Look again at the map.That places them in the relatively flat terrain between Suez and the Mediterranean, and the only bodies of water in that area are the chain of lakes. But there is no mention of any wadi in the story, no mention of a valley.Now let's follow along with the fable.Exodus 14 starts with the Pharaoh noticing a few million folk left after he told them to leave and God steps in again to harden Pharaoh's heart and he realizes that he just lost all his workforce (ignore the fact that the story started with him deciding to kill all the workforce anyway).

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1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 "Tell the Israelites to turn back and encamp near Pi Hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea. They are to encamp by the sea, directly opposite Baal Zephon. 3 Pharaoh will think, 'The Israelites are wandering around the land in confusion, hemmed in by the desert.' 4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD." So the Israelites did this.

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5 When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, Pharaoh and his officials changed their minds about them and said, "What have we done? We have let the Israelites go and have lost their services!" 6 So he had his chariot made ready and took his army with him. 7 He took six hundred of the best chariots, along with all the other chariots of Egypt, with officers over all of them. 8 The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly. 9 The Egyptiansall Pharaoh's horses and chariots, horsemen and troopspursued the Israelites and overtook them as they camped by the sea near Pi Hahiroth, opposite Baal Zephon.

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10 As Pharaoh approached, the Israelites looked up, and there were the Egyptians, marching after them. They were terrified and cried out to the LORD. 11 They said to Moses, "Was it because there were no graves in Egypt that you brought us to the desert to die? What have you done to us by bringing us out of Egypt? 12 Didn't we say to you in Egypt, 'Leave us alone; let us serve the Egyptians'? It would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than to die in the desert!"

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Again, there is no mention of valleys or wadis or anything except the desert and the water.
BUT...it is an area where chariots would be an efficient fighting force; they are in flat, open terrain.Go back and look at the map again.Key points:

• this is shortly after leaving
• it is flat terrain
• there is a water barrier
• the only reason the Israelites stop is because god tells them to stop so that god can once again play hero

Based on the storyline and the physical evidence they are NOT at the Nuweiba beach.

You have done no such thing. Clear contextual implication is that they were entrapped in a wilderness topographically impossible to exit other than the route which they arrived or the sea.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Jar, you're wasting your time and ours. You ignore all of the clear implications and the corroborating evidence relative to Nuweiba. You have yet to show any evidence of an ancient highway up the Western shoreline of the Gulf of Aqaba. We're still waiting for that.LOL. The strawman Roman Empire didn't exist to build any highways for Moses's time.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You keep making that claim but then never provide any support for that assertion.Look at Message 92.It includes the text from the story as well as a map of the area. The story says that they traveled to the EDGE of the desert. It does not say they traveled through the desert, across the desert, but to the edge of the desert.The map is useful since you can look at the terrain or even get a satellite view so you can see "the edge of the desert". And guess what? That is the area where there are also a series of lakes that could act as a barrier.The clear text places them there, not all the way across the Sinai Peninsula and halfway down the Gulf of Aqaba.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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You have done no such thing.

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Then please produce the actual description. We know that there is none in Exodus 14. You've not provided any evidence of any description elsewhere, either other than to suggest that it might be in Numbers.

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Clear contextual implication is that they were entrapped in a wilderness topographically impossible to exit other than the route which they arrived or the sea.

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You have produced no "clear context" at all. All you have done is offered an interpretation which is NOT clearly supported in the text. And there is absolutely no implication of mountains or a wadi.

I guess it is a good thing that I never claimed that the Romans built highways in Moses time.And if you actually read what I post you will find that I said the Gulf of Aqaba itself was the highway during the period when the Exodus supposedly happened.Finally, you have presented NO corroborating evidence that has stood up to examination.The alleged "Altar of the Golden Calf" turned out to be misrepresentation, withholding data and in fact a fairly common example of rock drawing that likely dates to thousands of years before the time of the alleged Exodus. See Message 25There is no evidence of any Chariot Wheels. See "Chariot Wheels" In the Red Sea.The split Rock does not show signs of stream flow and is simply a common weathered rock. See Message 28The column is most likely much later from the Roman period.And the Bible story places the event at the very edge of the Sinai Peninsula. See Message 92Now if you have some supporting or corroborating evidence, this is your chance to present it.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

As I said before, the only corroborating evidence that matters relative to Nuweiba (or any other location) is evidence that the people were there. There are a thousand ways that chariot wheels and pictographs could have gotten there and a thousand locations where chariot wheels and pictographs can be found.Your evidence does nothing whatsoever to corroborate the Biblical account. The Exodus was supposedly a crowd of people. You need evidence of a crowd of people.Edited by ringo, : Edited a word out and then back in.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

There's only one way that is corroborated by numerous other phenomena, including the Biblical record.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Great!When will you present the corroboration?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Why do you keep ignoring my point? The only relevant corroboration of any route would be evidence that a group of people used that route. All the chariot wheels and pictographs in the world corroborate nothing unless you can show that the people were there. Why don't you ever address that point?

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Language can be easily dated.Writing can be dated.Pottery can be dated.Art historians can date art very often.What archaeological period is the context here?What stratum were artifacts found in?WHAT ARCHAEOLOGICAL PERIOD IS BEING PROPOSED HERE???Im only refering to social "science" in the above 4 examples nevermind the unmentioned hard science.Archaeology isnt just a treasure hunt like 200 years ago.

A bump for dennis when he returns.dennis, read through this thread because it addresses most of the crap posted on those Exodus sites you used.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

I just went through all of your posts on this thread and there was no evidence. Can you provide any evidence, other than your good book, that the exodus story has any basis in historical fact.How about you just make a bullet point post listing each piece of evidence. That way I will know what you think is a piece of evidence. A lot of times you make a long post and then claim you presented evidence.So, how about a bullet list of all the pieces of evidence.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Here is the place where you can try to support your assertion that the Biblical Exodus happened.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!