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Taq
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Message 9 of 56 (592335)
11-19-2010 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Zubbbra25
11-18-2010 3:41 PM


Re: A little more expansion...
So the thing that has been nagging at me all day is this, how can the fludologist use volcanic eruptions, decaying organic matter, sea turbulence or anything for that matter as evidence for their position if they themselves don't atest to naturlism and uniformitarianism?
Or more importantly, how can they walk out the front door every morning? How do they brush their teeth if they truly think that the toxicity of sodium fluoride could suddenly change at the drop of a hat? How do they trust their brake pedals in their cars knowing that the tensile strength of steel could change to that of spaghetti and the drop of a hat? If decay rates can just change willy nilly then what must also think that nuclear reactors and hydrogen bombs are just ticking time bombs that could suddenly and catastrophically blow up when the decay rate changes suddenly.
But like most things YEC they use things when they support their claims and reject those very same things when they don't.

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Message 12 of 56 (592342)
11-19-2010 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Iblis
11-19-2010 5:35 PM


Re: Uniform Results
What, in the world, could possibly, make all these things, confirm one another, in such a way, as to defy the simpleton's interpretation of the ancient poetry, if the ancient poetry, were really intended, to be treated, as a science book !?!
When your mechanism of choice is MAGIC anything is possible.
A good example is the RATE "too much helium in zircons" study. They did mental gymnastics to show that the only explanation for the excess helium was an increase in the decay rate only to sweep away the massive amount of increased heat through magical evaporation.
But really, the only thing you need to point out is that in order for YEC to be true every universal law that we are aware of has to be wrong. Not just a little wrong either, but really, really wrong. For YEC to be true it would have to occur in a universe that would be unrecognizable to us in the here and now. The admission that the speed of light, E=mc^2, and just about every known constant had to be different in the past for YEC to be true is a very, very damning admission. We should do a better job of pointing that out.

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Message 48 of 56 (593154)
11-24-2010 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by alschwin
11-24-2010 2:59 PM


Re: Inverted polystrate trees?
Here is a nice picture illustrating the difference between slow sedimentation and catastrophic sedimentation:
See those layered strata in the middle of the picture? Those are annual varves. We know this because of the grain size and the alternation between sediments from spring runoffs. See the much coarser sediments above and below the middle section? Much larger grain sizes which settle out quickly as we would expect in a catastrophic event. Varves created by slow sedimentation and flood layers do look like night and day.
You would also be interested in the geologic context in which these varves are found. They are part of the Channeled Scablands, a geology created by catastrophic flooding and erosion. The following website will give you a better idea of what real geologists look for in catstrophic events:
http://www.uwsp.edu/...ticipants/dutch/vtrips/scablands0.htm

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