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Author Topic:   Does ID follow the scientific method?
Wounded King
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Message 32 of 325 (591936)
11-17-2010 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by marc9000
11-17-2010 8:30 AM


Science cant explain everything therefore god.
Not rule out, but question naturalistic mechanisms that are highly unlikely, or currently unexplained in certain areas of biology, mainly concerning origins of life.
Really? Then why are his most commonly referenced examples the bacterial flagellum and the mammalian immune system. I can see why creationssts and IDists in these discussions love to try and make everything about abiogenesis, but that isn't refelective of the frequently made claims about current irreducibly complex systems in modern organisms.
but the science of ID is justified in observing that it’s highly unlikely that they arose by only naturalism.
You seem to have the word 'observing' confused with the word 'claiming'. IDists frequently claim that it is highly unlikely but the basis for this is invariably highly contentious and frequently entirely spurious probability calculations, Hoyle's often quoted tornado in a junkyard argument being a prime example.
Not entirely. Partially perhaps, but to no larger of an extent than it currently is in naturalistic scientific studies.
Once again simply making a claim does nothing, where is any positive ID evidence? Where is a predictive ID hypothesis? The best they have ever done is retrospectively claim the identification of functional sequences in DNA once considered non-coding 'Junk DNA' as an ID prediction, none of which research came from ID labs.
In many instances it is implied that order cannot be studied scientifically if it happened by a supernatural cause, that means there is evidence for order arising from purposeless naturalistic processes. So in some instances, a process of elimination is currently used in practice of the scientific method.
Could you say that again in English? All you seem to be saying is that any example of order even if it has an apparent proximate natural cause might really be the product of a supernatural cause. All you seem to be doing is highlighting why ID and other pseudoscientific approaches which embrace the supernatural can never operate sceintifically and by their very nature violate Occam's razor. They posit undetectable, unstudyable and non-material actors which do not act in a consistent or predictable way. How can any such factor be incorporated into anything scientific?
From their own efforts it seems that it can't and consequently IDists are left with a god of the gaps argument as their only card.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 166 of 325 (592588)
11-20-2010 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Buzsaw
11-20-2010 6:20 PM


Re: Applying The Scientific Method
What do you reckon Dawn? Is Buz's example in line with how you think ID operates following the scientific method? If not, what distinguishes it from 'mainstream' ID arguments?
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Message 316 of 325 (593209)
11-25-2010 4:39 AM
Reply to: Message 313 by marc9000
11-24-2010 11:32 PM


Marc9000 shows us the true meaning of 'Off Topic'
Hopefully you now have a better understanding of what ‘off topic’ really means.
I started reading your new posts in reverse order and thought you had just gone completely insane. I'm glad there was some method in your madness.
TTFN,
WK

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