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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Now if you had paid attention to the rest that quote, you wouldn't have wasted the words. I also said: It is the anger being projected or perceived. Well, I must have mistaken you then. You made it sound as though you perceived all of my fucks as anger.
That is a shame, but now you know the difference and hopefully you will adjust and not insult the avatars in any way, shape, or form at EvC. I've yet to tell any of you to fuck off and die, so yes.
I think that is also one problem with some people and the internet, they forget that people are behind the internet. For me personally, it is skepticism. Skepticism that any one on the internet could ever be who or what they say they are. It's far easier to treat you all as binary numbers than actual human beings.
That's why I find it fascinating that you and crash assume I personally (in the real world) have issues with seeing profanity. I make no attempt to assume what you do or do not think or how you act in real life. I am addressing purpledawn: the member of internet debate board EvC. I see you as absolutely no more than what your posts consist of. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Message 90
Profanity is more visceral and usually carries emotions of frustration and anger. (I've already commented that presentation and audience also makes a difference) The person reading or hearing these words feel those emotions. That is what makes some uncomfortable with the usage. Not the word itself. It is the anger being projected or perceived. When anger is projected, people tend to respond in like manner. Message 91 Since you said emphatic, it seems the choice is due to adding more negative emotion to the response. That sure sounds to me like you perceive it that way, since you seem to be associating profanity with negativity. YOU are the one making the reasons why one should not use profanity.
What sentences made you feel that I perceived all your "f" words as anger? This thread is directed at me, PD. I've taken quite the personal interest in it.
We are talking about communication here, why didn't you understand what I wrote? I did understand. It's called sarcasm. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
This obviously created a communication problem. You had to explain with more force by "yelling" in Message 147. As your opponent put it, he doesn't speak potty mouth. DB has a communication problem with anyone who isn't a creationist, so I highly doubt my usage of fuck all was the source of miscommunication.
Slang kinda got in the way of communication. No it didn't. DB just chose not to respond because, like you, he/she is offended by and/or has a problem with the word fuck. No sweat off my nuts. "I don't speak potty mouth", to me, means "I'm a fucking prissy hoitey toitey goody two shoes and won't respond to gutter language" not "I don't know what that phrase means".
So why the switch in vocabulary? Why didn't you use the "f-all" slang in the second post? Uhh...because I didn't feel like it? Why do you choose certain words where a synonym would work exactly the same? Why does anyone? You are seriously the first person I have ever met that claims to not know what fuck all means, so I had no reason to not use the phrase without defining it. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
That works too.
"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Long story short: I like to fucking say fuck. You don't like it? Don't talk to me. Easy as that. If Percy has a problem with it, he can suspend my account because I say fuck too much. I personally think you are making much ado about nothing.
BTW, I haven't said that profanity offends me. Pay attention to what I've written. I am paying attention. You are the one making the biggest stink about it, therefor, you are making it obvious you have a problem with it.
That is my point. This forum is a mixed bag of gender, age, cultures, beliefs, lifestyles, etc. When debating we shouldn't assume an opponent knows all the same slang or even the same level of vocabulary that we do. Normally, when you don't understand a term or phrase, you either ask what it means or look it up.
Why are you on the defensive? Are you unable to have an emotionally uncommitted discussion about your choice of words? I'm not defensive. I think you read too much into what I am saying. You seem to be taking what I am saying personally.
Why did you choose the more emphatic word one time and not the other? That's just it: I don't use FUCK because it's more emphatic. I use it because it is a word in my vocabulary.
Your position has been they they are just words and while I agree they are words, words have meanings and project or elicit emotions. And you expect me to assume to know how the lot of you are going to perceive what I say? Am I a mind reader?
You want me to believe that when you use profanity, you are not projecting any harsh emotions at your opponent or casting a harsh tone on your post. You can believe whatever you want. I am saying that I am not projecting anything. Fuck is just a word to me.
In your rather useless response you said you didn't feel like. This tells me that there is a feeling that goes along with the use of profanity. It may be stronger feelings for the subject being discussed, the opponent, events of the day, or all of the above. Different emotions are being projected than when using the more neutral word. That is your opinion. You say it as though you speak for everyone. I've already made clear that fuck carries no more meaning that the word "fork" or "frig". I just like the sound of it more.
Look at what you and crash have done in this discussion. You've brought no facts or reasoning, just belittling bluster. I've yet to belittle anyone. I am the one here defending why I say fuck and that is what I am doing: defending why I say fuck. As a matter of fact, I think you are the belittling one with your little "pay attention" remarks. But I'm not going to be a little prissy faggot about it and complain. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
People "tone it down in mixed company" when it carries serious repurcussions. For example : one would not curse in the presence of a senior vp of the company he or she works for because it may affect the work environment. It still seems as though you are placing members of this community in such a position. I don't see any of you as being important enough for anyone to curb their language. The only repercussion is lack of discourse because the opponent uses words you are uncomfortable with.
Another example would be why one wouldn't cuss around the senior members of their family. I would assume one would not do so because your parents would slap your mouth just because the words are labeled as bad. I use profanity around all of my family and have done so since i was 14 so maybe that's why I don't view it as actually being offensive language other than society saying it is offensive. "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 828 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
So when you choose not to say fuck in the presence of your boss, it is becsuse you care about his feelings? When you choose not to say shit during a job interview, you do so because you think the interviewer may get their feelings hurt? Or is it because society has deemed these words to be "naughty"?
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