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Message 287 of 325 (593091)
11-24-2010 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Dr Adequate
11-23-2010 9:28 PM


What's the Topic?
Please see my comments in Marc9000's Message 260. In his next message he gave no indication of paying any heed to the moderator request in that message.
People, the question is whether ID follows the scientific method. Primarily because of Dawn's inability to address the topic of his own thread I made a very pointed request that an example of ID following the scientific method be presented so that it can be discussed. In Message 248 I requested responses to this list of requested information composed by Bluejay:
  • An example of a researcher making observations of the natural world.
  • An example of a researcher formulating an ID hypothesis based on those observations.
  • An example of a researcher experimenting to test that ID hypothesis.
  • An example of a researcher forming an ID theory based on the results of the experiment.
No responses to this have been posted yet. Anything else from those taking the affirmative that ID follows the scientific method is off-topic. In my judgement, discussion of the topic has not really begun yet, and I don't think it can begin until there's a concrete example of ID research to discuss. To this point this thread is just a series of "Does to's" and "Does not's".

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Message 288 of 325 (593093)
11-24-2010 8:53 AM
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11-24-2010 7:54 AM


Re: Behe's Court ID Question
Buz, please stop participating in this thread.

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11-24-2010 11:10 AM


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Message 317 of 325 (593216)
11-25-2010 7:35 AM
Reply to: Message 313 by marc9000
11-24-2010 11:32 PM


marc9000 Suspended One Month
marc9000 writes:
Hopefully you now have a better understanding of what ‘off topic’ really means.
I'm suspending you for one month. Hopefully this suspension gives you a better understanding of what rules 1 and 2 from the Forum Guidelines mean:
  1. Follow all moderator requests.
  2. Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
You also violated this guideline since the text in your message was an unattributed cut-n-paste from elsewhere:
  1. Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.
See you on Christmas day.
I let my experience help inform how I address new issues, and my experience in this thread is that advocates for ID, despite protests to the contrary, never had any real intention of addressing the topic. My efforts to guide this thread to a constructive discussion of ID research following the scientific method never really had a chance. Good to know.

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Message 323 of 325 (593449)
11-27-2010 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 319 by Dawn Bertot
11-27-2010 2:39 AM


Re: An example!
Dawn Bertot writes:
The ID hypothesis is not at this point necessary...
Hi Dawn,
Please stop posting to this thread until you can provide an example of ID research following all the steps of the scientific method in the point-by-point style requested by Bluejay:
  • An example of a researcher making observations of the natural world.
  • An example of a researcher formulating an ID hypothesis based on those observations.
  • An example of a researcher experimenting to test that ID hypothesis.
  • An example of a researcher forming an ID theory based on the results of the experiment.

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Message 325 of 325 (594510)
12-03-2010 5:25 PM
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11-27-2010 7:21 AM


Re: An example!
I wasn't trying to bring this thread to a screaching halt by being so specific in requesting an example of ID research following the scientific method. This should be very simple to do. Every paper in every biological journal is (hopefully) an example of biology following the scientific method, so every paper in every ID journal should also be (hopefully) an example of ID following the scientific method.
It should only be necessary to go the Discovery Institute website and follow their links to ID research papers. Read the abstract for a few of the papers and choose one you think best illustrates ID using the scientific method. Then post a message here that enumerates the following:
  • The observed phenomenon that the research was about.
  • The hypotheses the research explored.
  • The experimental and/or observational procedures of the research.
  • The theoretical conclusions based upon examination and analysis of the experimental results.
Hopefully this clarifies that what is required is very simple. I'm just trying to give this thread some direction by having something specific to focus on.

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