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Author Topic:   Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?
Kapyong
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Message 31 of 255 (593944)
11-30-2010 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by ICdesign
11-30-2010 11:16 AM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Gday,

ICDESIGN writes:

2 Peter 2:1 ....there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies.... and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

False teachers?
That's a PROPHECY ?
Has there ever been a time WITHOUT false teachers?

Meanwhile - 2 Peter is a FORGERY - do you follow this false teaching of a FORGER ?

K.


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Message 32 of 255 (593945)
11-30-2010 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by ICdesign
11-30-2010 11:16 AM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Long after you are dead and
gone and your big mouth has been silenced

You really are just a total shit, aren't you?

Please, just keep doing what you're doing. Please keep on reminding me why my life is so much more pleasant now that church, and church-goers, aren't a part of it.

OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD

Edited by AdminPD, : Warning


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Kapyong
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Message 33 of 255 (593946)
11-30-2010 4:04 PM
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11-30-2010 11:16 AM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Gday,

ICDESIGN writes:

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

What?
Where is the prophecy there?
A warning against being cheated?

K.


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Kapyong
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Message 34 of 255 (593947)
11-30-2010 4:06 PM
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11-30-2010 11:16 AM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Gday,

ICDESIGN writes:

Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various
and strange doctrines.

No prophecy there.
Did you think there was ?

ICDESIGN writes:

Ephesians 4:14 ...we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of of doctrine, by the trickery of men by craftiness in deceitful scheming..

No prophecy there either.
Have you accidentally posted to the wrong thread ?

K.


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Kapyong
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Message 35 of 255 (593948)
11-30-2010 4:09 PM
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11-30-2010 11:16 AM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Gday,

ICDESIGN writes:

The bible is by far the number one selling book in all of history and by far the most loved and the most read of any book ever written.

No it isn't.
the bible is GIVEN AWAY for free.

Please show your figures for how many bibles have been SOLD.

K.


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jar
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Message 36 of 255 (593949)
11-30-2010 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Kapyong
11-30-2010 4:03 PM


Forgery?
I think calling it a forgery is also going a bit far.

There is no indication that I know of for considering it a forgery, particularly when the common accepted practices at the time would not have seen it that way.

Is the "Seven Percent Solution" a forgery because it claims to be the memoirs of Dr. Watson? Is the Hobbit a forgery because it claims to be written by Bilbo Baggins?

A common practice at the time (and even continuing today) was to write things attributable to notable people and to make arguments in the style of a major Rabbi and attribute those arguments to that person even if the person is long dead.

The issue is not so much about authorship or attribution here as whether the quotes stand up to examination within context.

AbE:

In addition, issues like how many copies of the Bible have been sold are also irrelevant to the topic

Edited by jar, : try to head folk back on topic.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Kapyong
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Message 37 of 255 (593950)
11-30-2010 4:15 PM
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11-30-2010 4:10 PM


Re: Forgery?
Gday,

I think calling it a forgery is also going a bit far.

I don't.

It was deliberately written by someone OTHER than Peter, in the NAME of Peter - that's a forgery.

Scholars of course, don't use that term, and prefer 'pseudograph' or similar.

There is no indication that I know of for considering it a forgery,

It is widely considered by modern NT scholars to NOT be by Peter - a very clear indication it was a forgery.

particularly when the common accepted practices at the time would not have seen it that way.

Yes, this was a time of widespread forgery - a time when forgery was common.

But - it's still a forgery - even if others did it too.

K.

Edited by Kapyong, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 38 of 255 (593951)
11-30-2010 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Kapyong
11-30-2010 4:15 PM


Re: Forgery?
Whatever. It is still totally irrelevant to the thread.

If it makes YOU feel good to consider it a forgery, then fine.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Coragyps
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Message 39 of 255 (593953)
11-30-2010 4:26 PM
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11-30-2010 11:16 AM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Nothing you will ever say or do will put even the
slightest dent in the unchangeable truth of
THE WORD OF GOD

You're hilarious, IC. Do you know that? Your "unchangeable truth" has changed quite a bit in my lifetime, let alone since a couple of centuries ago, when you were directed to burn or hang witches and to keep slaves. Just fifty years ago women were Directed By God to never wear pants except on vacation and to cover their heads in church. Couples with disparate amounts of melanin in their skin were Directed By God not to marry, at least by the God Who was predominate in the southern USA. You WORD OF GOD is so damn dented up that not even Jesus Hernandez's Body Shop can fix it.

Excellent exposition, Jar! Keep it up!


"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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jar
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Message 40 of 255 (593954)
11-30-2010 4:49 PM


Ephesians 4:14
The next place ICDESIGN mentioned as support is Ephesians 4:14

quote:
Ephesians 4:14 ...we are no longer to be children,
tossed here and there by waves and carried about
by every wind of of doctrine, by the trickery of men
by craftiness in deceitful scheming...

That ICDESIGN chose that one I find very ironic.

Just read what it actually says.

quote:
Ephesians 4:14 (New International Version, ©2010)

14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.


You have to love it, I could not have found better support for my position.

It is time for Christians to stop just accepting what their pastors say and start acting like adults, actually check their claims, make them support their positions, stop being deceived by every wind of teaching, by the cunning and craftiness of the Preachers and Televangelists and their deceitful scheming.

But as always, let's look at the part he quote mined in context.

quote:
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

And guess what, once again what is being discussed is growing up, maturing, behavior, honesty.

What I am trying to do in this thread is present some honesty, honestly looking at the pieces parts Christianity and trying to relate what they claim the pieces parts Christianity says to what is actually said.


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jar
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Message 41 of 255 (593959)
11-30-2010 5:27 PM


Matthew 24:35
Finally, the last of the most recent crop of ICDESIGN quote mines is Matthew 24:35.

His cite:

quote:
Matthew 24:35 Jesus said: Heaven and earth will
pass away, but my words will not pass away.

This is perhaps the most apt of his quotes because it is part of a passage that almost doomed the early Church and lead to the creation of a new profession, the Christian Apologetic (see Message 27).

Let's stop and look at this one in context and maybe you guys can see why this passage created so much trouble.

quote:
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

See it?

Look closely, it's there.

Try squinting and holding your breath.

Yup, right there, the very line before the one taken out of context is "34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

Well, years passed and the signs did not arrive and the End did not come and the generation was getting old and ...

The result was letters like 2 Peter where the argument gets made that God decided to give extra time to spread the word and we are still seeing the exact same thing today, or rather next year according to Family Radio.

Thanks ICDESIGN.

Edited by jar, : fix subtitle


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Message 42 of 255 (593962)
11-30-2010 5:36 PM
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11-30-2010 5:27 PM


or rather next year according to Family Radio.

quote:
THE END OF THE WORLD IS ALMOST HERE!
HOLY GOD WILL BRING JUDGMENT DAY ON
MAY 21, 2011

No shit... one frickin day before my 30th birthday!

Well then, there's no way I'm paying that parket ticket now


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Message 43 of 255 (593963)
11-30-2010 5:39 PM
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11-30-2010 5:36 PM


I wonder what will happen to the site on may 22, 2011

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jar
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Message 44 of 255 (593964)
11-30-2010 5:39 PM
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11-30-2010 5:36 PM


Yeah, and I just renewed my drivers license through 2015. I wonder if I will get a rebate for the unused portion?

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Message 45 of 255 (593965)
11-30-2010 5:42 PM
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11-30-2010 5:39 PM


Yeah, and I just renewed my drivers license through 2015. I wonder if I will get a rebate for the unused portion?

Really!? Aren't you a little old for it being that long?

and don't reply: "that's what she said"


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