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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Its my name Moron
Dawn is a girl's name.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I can certainly win any debate on design Not until you can show that design exists, not as compared to human designed articles , but as to the natural world. and not with bronze aged myths, as the book of Job. Edited by bluescat48, : typs Ineed to repair the keys on thsi F#$kin'krybaraed There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Nope, Thank you, so yours are words, without knowledge. You dont have platform to question diddly
and neither was He. As is apparent by his complete lack of understanding for how the world works and how it formed. Or maybe he is speaking to someone as simple as yourself, that is, if he were to explain to you personally in a specific sense exacally how he exists and creates things, you would understand them no better, than, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" I cant really explain in specific detail exacally what the feeling or experince of combat is now can I, unless I have witnessed and experinced it personally can I? Gods point and logic stands. You dont understand diddly. Youve abandonded your belief without reason or cause Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
DM writes: An insult.
I know navy people are slow, but I had no idea how slow. Its my name Moron DM writes: An insult.
Anger management classes are in order I believe, its my real name Moron DM writes: An insult.
Read the entire, Does the IDM follow the SM thread, Ive made it so simple a childish child, such as yourself could understand it DM writes: An insult.
How about a formal public debate on design and why it should be taught in the science classroom? Be a Man and step up to the plate DM writes: An insult. M has lost his faith for no reason I see a pattern... Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
DM writes: An insult.
Thank you, so yours are words, without knowledge. You dont have platform to question diddly DM writes: An insult.
Or maybe he is speaking to someone as simple as yourself, that is, if he were to explain to you personally in a specific sense exacally how he exists and creates things, you would understand them no better, than, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" DM writes: A question!
I cant really explain in specific detail exacally what the feeling or experince of combat is now can I, unless I have witnessed and experinced it personally can I? DM writes: An insult. Gods point and logic stands. You dont understand diddly. Youve abandonded your belief without reason or cause I see still see a trend...
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
I have posted an apology.
its my real name Moron Well since your real name is Moron, then thank you for finally giving it. "Dawn" is a girl's name, Moron.
Read the entire, Does the IDM follow the SM thread, Ive made it so simple a childish child, such as yourself could understand it I have. You cannot write. You cannot put coherent thoughts together. Nobody can understand you. And you refuse to make any attempt to communicate. For that matter, you vehemently oppose the very thought of being asked to try to communicate.
How about a formal public debate on design and why it should be taught in the science classroom? Be a Man and step up to the plate Before I could even begin to consider it, I would need to insist on certain conditions to which you would need to be very strictly bound. Here are a few to start with: 1. It would need to be written rather than spoken. That is to prevent you from breaking into a series of incoherent Gish Gallops. Not that you wouldn't try it anyway, but at least when it's in writing then we can still have some chance of trying to extract some kind of meaning from your incomprehsible blather. 2. You would need to stop spewing bullshit. Yeah, I know, if we take that away from you then you won't have anything to say. 3. You would need to make an actual effort to communicate. Since more than 2200 posts by you have demonstrated that you are incapable of meeting any of those conditions, ... Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Hopefully everyone has gotten the crankiness out of their systems.
Now back to things topic theme. Adminnemooseus
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Meldinoor Member (Idle past 4809 days) Posts: 400 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
ABE: Sorry. I didn't see admin Moose's post until after I posted this.
Dawn Bertot writes: Thank you, so yours are words, without knowledge Nope. While not being as knowledgeable as, say, a scientist who has actually studied the relevant areas of knowledge, I'm pretty sure my words convey more scientific knowledge than the entire book of Job.
Dawn Bertot writes: You dont have platform to question diddly Everyone has a right to question, no matter how stupid or ignorant they are.
Dawn Bertot writes: Or maybe he is speaking to someone as simple as yourself, that is, if he were to explain to you personally in a specific sense exacally how he exists and creates things, you would understand them no better, than, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" That's funny, because it seems to me that creationists and IDists seem to prefer the simple and incorrect explanations for creation given in the Bible. Are you saying that you don't know how and when God created the world?
Dawn Bertot writes: I cant really explain in specific detail exacally what the feeling or experince of combat is now can I, unless I have witnessed and experinced it personally can I? No, but you could lie about it.
Dawn Bertot writes: Gods point and logic stands Is God also right about the shape of the Earth? About where snow and hail come from? It's kind of funny that you're suggesting God to be an authority on creation, when he can't even get some basic astronomy and meteorology right.
Dawn Bertot writes: You dont understand diddly Oh? How do you know? You don't know who I am, or what I understand. For all you know I could be God, cleverly disguised as a skeptical college student. If that's the case then I AM the undisputed authority on creation, and I think you're bonkers. With divine disdain for your blasphemy, -Meldinoor Edited by Meldinoor, : No reason given. Edited by Meldinoor, : No reason given.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
To get back on topic of deconversion, I will use my previous post:
Not until you can show that design exists, not as compared to human designed articles , but as to the natural world. and not with bronze aged myths, as the book of Job. It is these myths that led to my deconversion. Having been indoctrinated into these at the "totally mature age of 5," yes indoctrinated-- the first class stated with the comment "These are the absolute truths, you cannot question them." What 5 year old is going to buck that? These absolute truths slowly, over the course of about 40 years, became absolute nonsense when coupled with reality. That is the deconversion, coming to grips with the reality that, these "truths," aren't. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Not until you can show that design exists, not as compared to human designed articles , but as to the natural world. and not with bronze aged myths, as the book of Job. The key word in your above sentence is SHOW. I dont think you or most of the other fellows actually understand that you are mistakenly confusing the word Prove for the word SHOW. In the absence of that which is provable concerning matters and events that no longer available to us, all we have or can Show, is that which is logically deduced. Since order is obviously a valid deduction of design, all that needs to be demonstrated (shown)is the logical probabilites of said design, against the clearly obvious order and law in nature In this instance, since the order cooroborates it and we no longer have absolute prove of any of the actual events of the past, all that is needed is that which is deduced logically Watch how it works on your side of the fence, so to speak. You have no direct absolute evidence of evolution or macro-evolution, because those events and conditions no longer exist. the best you can do from the available evidence (as order and law on my side), such as change in time,strata and change within species is DEDUCE that said evolution took place But you are limited to what can be logically deduced, without proving it absolutely Design, a designer and "evolution" are deduced, they are not and cannot be SHOWN in the way you are using the word You apply the word 'show' to me as if you have demonstrated or SHOWN, your position as absolute proof. Thus, unwittingly used one set of rules for yourself and another for me Both of these positions, evo and design are demonstratable in an investigative manner, but both are conclusions with the exact same kind of "evidence" Now let anyone that thinks they can, step up and demonstrate why this is not valid M, yourself, and others have abandoned you positions of faith or belief without thinking things through
It is these myths that led to my deconversion. Having been indoctrinated into these at the "totally mature age of 5," yes One would wonder why you consider design a myth. Its probably due to the fact that you dont understand how evidence we use, to formulate thoeries and hypethosis are actually constructed Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I'd respond, but it would all be off topic.
Take it to another thread. We'll refute it there, and you'll ignore the evidence we present same as always. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Before I could even begin to consider it, I would need to insist on certain conditions to which you would need to be very strictly bound. Here are a few to start with: 1. It would need to be written rather than spoken. That is to prevent you from breaking into a series of incoherent Gish Gallops. Not that you wouldn't try it anyway, but at least when it's in writing then we can still have some chance of trying to extract some kind of meaning from your incomprehsible blather. 2. You would need to stop spewing bullshit. Yeah, I know, if we take that away from you then you won't have anything to say. 3. You would need to make an actual effort to communicate. Since more than 2200 posts by you have demonstrated that you are incapable of meeting any of those conditions, ... So this is a sad, evasive way of saying you are not man enough to stand in the polemic arena, in a formal way, to defend what you believe Ok, Ill take it as a concession Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I'd respond, but it would all be off topic. Take it to another thread. We'll refute it there, and you'll ignore the evidence we present same as always. Its not off topic because BC, used it as an example of his deconversion process. But it would be interesting to see how you would refute logic as sound as that I have presented Dawn Bertot
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Take it to an appropriate thread.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
I am making no concession whatsoever. I am insisting that any debate be an actual debate.
Instead, you are refusing to engage in actual debate, or in any actual discussion for that matter, which you have consistent been doing ever since you first posted on this forum. So you are conceding that you have no intention of engaging in an actual debate and that your "challenge" is nothing more than the rest of what you post here, bullshit. You left out the rest of my post, in particular:
I have {read what you had written in that thread}. You cannot write. You cannot put coherent thoughts together. Nobody can understand you. And you refuse to make any attempt to communicate. For that matter, you vehemently oppose the very thought of being asked to try to communicate. In an actual debate, you will need to put coherent thoughts together, something that you have proven yourself to be incapable of. In an actual debate, you will need to express your thoughts and arguments in such a manner that they can be understood, something that you have proven yourself to be incapable of. In an actual debate, you will need to communicate, something that you have not only proven yourself to be incapable of, but you vehemently oppose the very idea. Actual debate, Dawn, not the bullshit con-job that you normally pull on the public. But you concede that you have no intention of engaging in an actual debate. Not man enough for it, eh? In the meantime, you still need to provide an actual case of ID using the scientific method. I understand you refusal to provide it, since you know of none. thing, that your case does not really exist, and that you are no
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