Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?

Would just driving out the foreign powers and creating an independent Hebrew State even if it isn't "world peace" do?

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Maybe you missed these questions. Why not?The idea of Prophecy was to tell the audience that heard the prophet some message from God that they were expected to act on.Why wouldn't the total context of what the prophet was saying be relevant?What possible use is a prophecy that can only be understood and recognized after the fact?Why would God bother giving a prophecy for folk living today to folk that died thousands and thousands of years ago?If prophecy is meant to be understood, why bury it within a bunch of unrelated material? Huh?When God sends a message to someone and says "Go say this" the person does not know he is speaking prophecy?Are you sure you know what "prophecy" is?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

No, I have never seen a single supportable example of prophecy of Jesus, particularly none from the Old Testament.Let's look at Mark in context.I in the version of the story found in Mark 14, the author has the character Jesus talk about his premonitions of a coming death. If the stories about Jesus are true, that should have been obvious to him as well as many others. He was telling folk that it was time to stop just accepting what they were told and to start questioning the popular dogma; and that is never a popular position.Regardless, the particular scripture is not referenced in the passage but it is most likely referring to the earlier passage in Mark 14 where he asks to be spared. It is the acceptance that death is the inevitable result of his behavior.Here is the story in context.

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Gethsemane

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32 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, Sit here while I pray. 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death, he said to them. Stay here and keep watch.

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35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 Abba, Father, he said, everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.

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37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. Simon, he said to Peter, are you asleep? Couldn’t you keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

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39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him.

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41 Returning the third time, he said to them, Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!

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Jesus Arrested

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43 Just as he was speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, appeared. With him was a crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests, the teachers of the law, and the elders.

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44 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: The one I kiss is the man; arrest him and lead him away under guard. 45 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, Rabbi! and kissed him.

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46 The men seized Jesus and arrested him. 47 Then one of those standing near drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

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48 Am I leading a rebellion, said Jesus, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? 49 Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled. 50 Then everyone deserted him and fled.

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51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

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Note also, this story evolves much as all urban legends evolve over time as it gets retold in the other synoptic Gospels.It also might help if instead of you saying what it is I believe, that you ask ME what it is I believe, but that should be in another thread, it is irrelevant to this one.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Which, if it were true, is a classic sign of false and created prophecy; which by the way, it most likely was. I included the full passage to let folk see how the author of Mark told the story and, since it does not specify what scripture is involved, either refers back to earlier in the conversation or is a false and created prophetic fulfillment just as with your example I cover in Message 19 of Zacharia and Matthew.I also doubt from what you post that you have any more idea what the word scripture means than the word prophecy.Scripture simply means an inspired writing. It does NOT mean Canonized writings. In fact, at the time Jesus lived it is unlikely anything except perhaps the first five books had been Canonized.According to the stories there were lots of "scripture" floating about and in common use that never made it into many of the Canons. A good example is the Book of Enoch, and that is one that it seems Jesus himself was familiar with or at least the writers give the character Jesus lines that show that he referred to it.The point is, based on that text just as with every other example you have presented, I see no indication of either prophecy or fulfilled prophecy.If you can show support, great, please do so.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The author of Mark was writing what he wanted the character Jesus in the story to say, perhaps even what he thought he remembered Jesus saying, but since the story evolves with each telling and the details change and since it was written at least a quarter century after Jesus died, it is highly unlikely to be what Jesus actually said.It is also clear that since it does not specify what scripture did get fulfilled that it cannot be considered fulfilled prophecy. I can with equal authority claim I too fulfill scripture and if I was really pressed, I'm sure I could do a better job than the author of Mark did in supporting my position.A claim to have fulfilled scripture is NOT prophecy and unless the exact scripture is mentioned it is in fact meaningless.It also appears that in addition to scripture and prophecy, you do not understand what the word premonition means.I included the section from Mark in case you or some readers had not read it and I imagine they can see that in the story, Jesus goes and asks, prays, that what is about to happen doesn't. That implies that he at least hoped that what certainly seemed inevitable could be avoided. That too is priceless.Thank you.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Just a bump to see if anyone thinks that there is an Old Testament prophecy that even refers to Jesus.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

So he can show us all the support for a unity of theme and pupose between the Old and New Testaments that refers to Jesus.Just a note Dawn, let's take your claimed support one example at a time; the actual chapter and verse please.

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And rightly so since Jesus does not meet any of the requirements to be a messiah.But the thread is about whether there are any Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled by Jesus?

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Sorry but those all seem to be simply quote mining, misrepresentation and taking pieces parts out of context. As a Christian, I'm aware that is how many chapters of Club Christian use or as I believe misuse Isaiah. It is certainly not how Isaiah would have interpreted it.In the OP I included all of Isaiah 52 and not just the part so many Christians seem to quote mine.

I think the thread was an interesting one and it might be worth taking the time to read through it before trying to tackle any one of the examples. More of the so called prophecies from Isaiah are touched on as well as a discussion of how I believe the term "Prophesy" is misused by many chapters of Club Christian.

No, Club Christian simply refers to all the different chapters, churches and sects of modern Christianity. There is the RCC Chapter, Henry's Chapter, the Sees of Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, the chapters formed by Calvin and Knox and Luther and Zwingli as well as all the various unrecognized but tacitly accepted unaligned groups that claim membership in the larger Club Christian.All of the various chapters at a minimum claim to adhere to a minimal set of beliefs, most often outlined by the Nicene Creed, but each chapter also has its own local bylaws, dogma and traditions.

Again, calling Constantine a pagan Emperor doesn't make much sense and there is little evidence that Constantine had any position on the Arius position that I know of.But it is also off topic here.

One point that might almost be on topic is that a major reason exists and grew so quickly through the western world is that it was a political tool. It was the adoption of Christianity as a State Religion that gave the movement legitimacy and provided the military might that was used to expand the religion. It has only been relatively recently that Christianity lost that military and State support, it is still though largely a political tool.

The Messiah as seen by the Jews (all the Old Testament) is an earthly Prince, a war lord.To be a messiah you need to be a heroic leader that restores Israel and rules as a Prince. It is a here, now, earthly, theocratic Kingdom.The figure that most stands out as a Messiah is Simon bar Kokhba.Christianity redefined the meaning of the term and constantly changed the description of what a Messiah would be and what the Messianic Kingdom would be like.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin and left out an 'a'

Well bring the passage back up and we can look at it.But if it is an end of times prophecy it is still an unfulfilled or failed prophecy.But that still has nothing to do with what the Jewish Messianic ideal was.Yes, bar Kokhba turned out to be another failed messiah, but at least he met the requirements to be a messiah. Jesus did not in any way.