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Message 13 of 566 (595410)
12-08-2010 1:05 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Dawn Bertot
12-08-2010 3:15 AM

I don't believe it. Isn't that a valid reason for deconversion?

I also don't believe there are Bigfeet roaming the woods. That's why I don't follow a religion based on Bigfeet.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Message 26 of 566 (595501)
12-08-2010 10:24 PM

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12-08-2010 9:54 PM

Re: Most Gods should be thrown away

arachnophilia writes:

even if the cruel god will punish you for not worshiping him or her?

Sounds like a good reason to shoot back.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Message 66 of 566 (596124)
12-13-2010 11:17 AM

Reply to: Message 58 by Dawn Bertot
12-12-2010 7:30 PM

Dawn Bertot writes:

Ive read the entirity of the posts and I have failed to see a valid 'reason' offered as to why I should deconvert from the things I have studied and been taught through the years.

The OP doesn't say anything about convincing you. I don't think anybody here would try to convince you that water is wet. What people are telling you in this thread is what convinced them.

As I mentioned earlier, I simply don't believe that the Bible is true or that the doctrines that are pasted into the Bible are true or valuable. I don't pray to the God of the Bible for the same reason that I don't write letters to Santa Claus.

You can feel free to try to convince me that a children's story is true.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Message 70 of 566 (596147)
12-13-2010 1:04 PM

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12-13-2010 11:35 AM

arachnophilia writes:

surely, the contents of the bible weren't entirely meant for children.

I'm not the one who's lumping it all together. We're being handed The Cat in the Hat and The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire and Breakfast at Tiffany's and we're being asked to believe all of it.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Message 95 of 566 (596234)
12-13-2010 10:36 PM

Reply to: Message 79 by Dawn Bertot
12-13-2010 7:18 PM

Dawn Bertot writes:

Then provide a valid reason in argument and statement form as to why I should deconvert

The OP seems to ask for reasons why anybody would deconvert, not just you. I don't think you "should" deconvert. Frankly, I'm just glad you're not on my side.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Message 124 of 566 (596331)
12-14-2010 11:44 AM

Reply to: Message 109 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 9:29 AM

Dawn Bertot writes:

So exacally what side are you on and where is it headed?

It isn't a matter of choosing sides so much as knowing where the goal is. You're putting the puck in your own net, scoring points against the side that you chose.

I don't even have to step out on the ice. You're winning the game for me all by yourself. Just keep doing what you're doing.

All I have to do is turn on the goal light.

Edited by ringo, : Removed confusing phraseology.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Message 190 of 566 (596536)
12-15-2010 1:22 PM

Reply to: Message 179 by Dawn Bertot
12-15-2010 12:21 PM

Re: scriptural unity

Dawn Bertot writes:

... DA disagrees that Jesus Christ is a Spiritual king over the Church (Spiritual Israel)....

"Spiritual" really is a useful incantation, isn't it? It can magically remove all contradictions.

Adam and Eve didn't die a physical death that same day; they died a "spiritual death". Jesus wasn't an actual king of an actual kingdom; He was/is a "spiritual king" of a "spiritual kingdom". Black isn't really black; it's "spiritual white".

One good reason for deconversion is the doubletalk and doublethink required to believe such nonsense.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Message 193 of 566 (596540)
12-15-2010 1:41 PM

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12-15-2010 1:31 PM

Re: scriptural unity

Dawn Bertot writes:

however, one would need to discard the information contained in the NTand those writers

That's exactly the point. Without the "spiritual" mumbo-jumbo that you inject, the New Testament should be rejected as fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. You're pre-accepting the fulfillment instead of looking at it honestly to see if it's there.

That kind of backwards thinking is the cause of a lot of deconversion.

Dawn Bertot writes:

read it as it was intended and the unity and purpose will be obvious

Again, that's the problem, not the solution. You're predetermining the intention and mangling the text to fit your preconceptions.

Edited by ringo, : Spalling.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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