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frako
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Message 6 of 177 (585502)
10-08-2010 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by BarackZero
10-08-2010 8:56 AM


You follow the dictates of Al Gore and *environmentalists* everywhere, particularly those who will be flying to Cancun, Mexico in November, to dine yet again on lobster and shrimp, as they attempt to mold the world into the pawns they wish everyone else to be. Twenty thousand of them went to South America to preach their cynical, dishonest gospel.
Muhaha yes we envioramentlists are the new world order, we have the money and the power to force our will uppon you MUHAHAHAHA!
We will make you breathe CLEAN air, be so dispicable that you will haveto drink CLEAN water MUHAHAHA, and if we have our way your kids will suffer the same clean enviorment MUHAHAHAHA we are so evil !!!!!
So many went to Malaysia last year that their private jets used up all the space in the airport.
Well what do you expect we are evil and there is money to be made in green energy MUHAHAHAHAH!!!! not like the inocent money made from fossil fuels.
Videoconference, you say? Mais porquoi, when sappy taxpayers will foot the bill for lovely trips to Cancun, there to scuba dive, eat, drink, and be very merry indeed.
just like the G8-G20 meetings we want to robe you of your cash and unlike the polititians we acctualy do nothing there MUHAHAHA !!!

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frako
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Message 30 of 177 (585573)
10-08-2010 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by BarackZero
10-08-2010 6:43 PM


Everyone here please sacrifice your own lives and happiness to cut that down to .27%. I pass.
like you haveto go and live in the stone age to help, little things can add up to a grate deal and you can save some cash while you are at it.
small things you can do
get energy eficient light bulbs saves on your electric bill and the coal company may burn a little less of coal.
i have a master switch in the house witch turnes everything totaly off when i leave the house those little red standby lights burn suprisingly a lot.
a car whit loads of hp can also be envioramentaly conciuss, i curently have a passat 105 HP on average i burn 5,5 L per 100 Km, the 150 HP version burns evan less on average.
carpooling is not a bad thing it saves money and if the persons in the carpool work and live nearby it is not a very big hassle
insulating your house will save cash to in the long run and the enviorment gets a bit of help.
currently if you have enough money or can afford a credit you can make money on solar pannels in slovenia if you sell the power they make the profit alone from the exsess power pays the pannels off in 7 years and they have a warenty of 10-15 years the only problem is they aint cheap 200 000EUR for my house
all of this and more saves you money or evan earns you some and it also helps the enviorment so where is the downside ??

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frako
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Message 48 of 177 (585791)
10-09-2010 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by jar
10-09-2010 7:09 PM


Re: topic?
i think what he ment by scam is that a lot fo the envioramentalists are hypocrites they want you to stop poluting while they polute as they want.
cause there is no dening that climate change is happening and rather fast, when i was borne 23.07.1986 it was the hottest day ever mesured in ljubljana 35 C, now the record is 38 C and the temperature passes 35 every year.
the question is it natural or man made well if it where caused by the sun as some say then we should see temperatures dropping they are still going up every year.
i dont belive though that co2 is the only cause, there are a lot of other factors like amonia...., and a lot of man made stuff like paved roads black absorbes sunlight better and they get the white reppeling snow plowed off during winter. as cities grow the surface aerea of what the sun can heat up increases and during the cooling down in the night the buildings still give off exsess heat.the polar ice melting meens less white stuff that repels light and more blue stuff that cathes it that melts more ice....
some say well co2 gets absorbed by plants well the problem is that there are fewer and fewer forrests every day.
though i do belive that co2 is a mayor player in the global worming game i doubt it is the sole cause, and i doubt that anything can be done to efect global warming on a large scale we will have to reap what we have sowed

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frako
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Message 54 of 177 (585809)
10-09-2010 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by jar
10-09-2010 7:34 PM


Re: topic?
If Global Warming is happening then it would be wise for us to try to mitigate any adverse effects
The only part of the contributory side we have much control over are those we create. The man made components are within our control.
true but there is a problem carbon emissions and economic growth are likned so it is very hard to pass laws that limit the emissions and new techonologies tend to get baught by the ones that earn the moste from polution and it takes time for the patent to loose validity.
If reducing the man made contributions is still insufficient, then we also need to try to find ways to remove those natural contributions to be stored in some carbon sink.
i totaly agree the problem is profit and no self loving company will develope this kind of technology if there is no profit involved, and since it would probably be a large scale project like the moon landing no country would want to do it on its own since there is no profit, or prestige involved. it is sad but true our greed is killing us
In addition, we need to be making plans for dealing with those adverse effects we cannot mitigate.
Much of the world's economy is based on there being relatively stable weather patters, snowfall, rainfall and on the infrastructure we have built based on that. Building new infrastructure is a slow, long term project
all true but witch polititian would get realected for spending money on something that will happen in the future they like to make thir goals short term 4-8 years so they get realected. and if the world goes down the drain it will be a nother polititians problem and they will be able to point the finger on him saying he should be doing more and score some brownie points whit the public.
If water resources change and get relocated, it can well take many decades to modify our infrastructure system to meet the new conditions.
We need to be thinking and planning on a world-wide basis to meet the challenges.
all true though it has the same problems as all of the above, though dont worry about water it is alredy profitable to sell water bottled or otherwise 3 of my friends are making a killing out of it. they made a company called costela they are botteling water and seling it mostly to other countries and also at home they estimated that the investment would be returned in 5-10 years they got their money back in 2 years.

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frako
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Message 60 of 177 (585868)
10-10-2010 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 7:37 AM


By "that" I clearly meant the challenges that Global Warming is NOT anthropogenic, the challenge that evolution CANNOT AND DOES NOT explain what it purports to explain.
and yet it is the only explenation that is supported by tones uppon tones of evidence, and any scientist who would disprove evolution and prove something else would get filthy ritch kinda makes you wonder why it hasent been done.
1. The "discussions about evolution" always take place with the firm conviction that nothing else can ever displace descent with modification, top down and bottom up, all the way.
Such discussions never consider, for a second, the countless shortfalls of Darwinism. On the contrary, they are all blinked away, dismissively, derisively. This is anti-scientific as my alleged inability to "wipe Al Gore's ass" in the lovely lexicon of your pal.
all fo the points creation has to offer have been disproven countless of times i am terebly sorry if you creation lexicon does not tell you that, and that scientist have better things to do then point out to every creationist where they are wrong and why.
2. Likewise "discussions about Climate Change" formerly and recently "Global Warming" are never permitted unless they assume full anthropogenic cause and effect.
Otherwise the dissenter can simply go TRY to "wipe Al Gore's (oversize) ass" and fail miserably at the attempt.
*Science*, Darwin-style.
shure they are moste of the ones that try to disprove global warming are using 30 years old data so they are usualy dissmised as loons fakes and money grabbers.
and if you truly do not belive in climate change then either you are to young to notice the change, not out going enough, or not preceptive enough. or you fell in to the dogma that global warming is a scam and you dismiss all the evidence and replace it whit the ones they have from 1980.

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frako
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Message 62 of 177 (585870)
10-10-2010 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 8:01 AM


"Carbon dioxide concentration isn't measured in pixels." - AlGorian reply to my graph
Please pay attention. I know, science is hard.
You see, scientists the world over, not to mention thoughtful people in all disciplines, use graphs to REPRESENT quantities.
Lines are purposefully drawn to indicate, oh, years, or pounds, or Kelvins. Not that those distances between lines on graphs really ARE years or pounds or Kelvins themselves. That's just what they depict, as a method of instantly conveying information.
Likewise, since the medium at hand here is the internet, and images appear on a monitor, all images are necessarily composed of individual pixels. The dot above the "i" in "pixels" is one pixel.
Are you with me so far, Pixie?
Now the reason I indicated anthropogenic carbon dioxide as one pixel in depth is that you cannot draw a line on a monitor any smaller than one pixel. So to minimize the overall height of the graph, I minimized the smallest component, viz. anthropogenic carbon dioxide. The graph is still huge despite my efforts to shrink it and keep everything to scale.
Nothing seems to anger Darwinists and AlGorians as much as the advancement of scientific facts and perspectives. They instantly engage in such reprehensible tactics as the ad hominem attack, so masterfully exhibited by Omnivorous, I believe.
And the rest of the pack don't mind a bit how silly or hateful their fellow pack member gets. It's reminiscent of hyenas, eating their victim alive.
still you base you calculations on this logic: "there is to little of the substance compared to all other substances in the air to have an efect"
try taking one pixel of LSD compared to the pixle size of your body and then say there is to little of it to have any efect.
say you waigh an average of 80 kg that is 80 000 g, for lsd to have an efect on you you need to take in 20 micro grams 0.02 g that is 0.00000025% of your body waight and it will make you fly for hours.
so i hope this explains that your logic to little compared to everything else in the air is flawed
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 72 of 177 (586000)
10-10-2010 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by BarackZero
10-10-2010 6:38 PM


But the topic of this thread, which I originated, is The Global Warming Scam. This scam always, begins with outrageous claims of the prophetic dangers of carbon dioxide. I put those concentrations into perspective, and everyone here has gone ballistic as a result.
well the way you put them in prespective is that a small amount compared to everything else in the atmosphere cannot efect the planet that much. i showed you why that is not true where small amounts compared to the total composition can have big efects.
if you wanted to argue that there is not a high enough man made increase of co2 in the atmosphere you should have said a kilo of co2 in the atmosphere retains xx amounts of heat there is not enough co2 to cause all this heat increase on our planet.
what you said was the amount of co2 in the atmosphere compared to everything else is to small to have an efect.
see the diference
while i do not belive co2 is the SOLE cause of global warming i belive it is one of the mayjor players. stoping flying and driving is not a solution, using carbon neutral fuels is but try telling that to the sakes that ern billions a year on oil and coal.

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frako
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Message 104 of 177 (592217)
11-19-2010 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by BarackZero
11-18-2010 1:14 AM


Re: Im sure you've been beaten up about this already...
1. YOU SELL YOUR car.
2. Never again take a vacation.
3. Never again heat your home.
4. Never again cook your food.
5. No more hot showers.
6. Stay at home and watch the grass grow.
1. Hows about i make my own wind and solar plant enough to power my house and sell excess power to the el. companies.
2. Hows abbout i buy a low polution car or modify mine to run on biodizel whit a bitt of tincering it runs better then on normal dizel cheeper polution natural
3. Hows abbout i partily heat my home trough colectors, "heat suckers"..., and the other part trough my own power from step 1
4. I grow moste of my own food not because it costs less but because it tastes better, and i can cook it on my own thanx to step 1
5. Hotter showers for longer periods free thanx to step 3
6. Hows about i use the money i save from not spending so much on polution oriantated technologies and i take a longer vaccaiton somewhere you cant afford.

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frako
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Message 112 of 177 (595853)
12-10-2010 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by BarackZero
12-10-2010 8:17 AM


1. Liberals, like you, have long opposed reducing dependence on foreign oil by denying further drilling in ANWR, and offshore, and virtually anywhere else.
My guess is cause things like what happend in the summer happen, did they clost the oil leak how much damage did it cause.
2. Liberals, like you, have long opposed building more nuclear power plants, which would lower our dependence on foreign energy sources.
So what you are saying one should produce power in a dengorus way instead of green power like: solar, tidal, wind, geothermal.....
3. Liberals, like you, have long screamed that electricity is a source of "clean" energy, and you tout electric vehicles, as if they drew their power from the magic of atheism. In fact, almost 50% of electricity generated in America is produced by burning coal. Coal is very filthy and produces far more carbon dioxide than other fossil fuels, due to the lack of hydrogen burning to water. It's all CO2.
So you should close down those plants and build up solar, wind, geotermal, Biomass .....
4. How disingenuous of you to invoke the Bible in matters of science, when liberals like you are always mocking Christianity and pretending that we bring it up. Sorry, it was you who did that.
Is there a reason that liberals are always sucking up to worldwide depression by demanding draconian measures that will avail us absolutely nothing?
No green activist demands that you tare down all your powerplants and then build up new green ones. We want you to stop building polution orientaded power plants and cars and start building green ones.
curently the only reaon solar power is exspensive is because the parts for the plants haveto be individualy made if more such plants where built they would become cheeper.
The same goes for all the other green technology, you would not have to give up anything if a push was made for renewable energy. And the smog you breathe in every day would not be there. Hurricanes that should come around every 100 years would come around every 100 years not every decade. If you like fast and powerful cars biodisel offers more power then diesel and diesel uses 50% of the energy it produces while gas uses 40%, currently diesel can top any Benz in anything except top speed and it only lacks behind a few km h. While it surpasses the bent on torque, acceleration... And biodisel will and does offer more power because one can calibrate the engine to pure fuel normal diesel has stuff in it they haveto calculate in the engine fiering.
So tell me what is THE DOWN SIDE
Cheper power??
Smog free cities??
Healthier people??
nicer weather????

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frako
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Message 120 of 177 (595899)
12-11-2010 5:34 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by BarackZero
12-11-2010 12:32 AM


Permanent global depression on an unprecedented scale.
You finishing out your life in a rathole cabin, like "environmentalist" Theodore Kaczynski.
Like the one we will DEFINITIVLY have when the fossil fuels run out and we are not prepared for it.
I see no reason for a global depression if green power is sponsored insted of fossil power.
Can you explain why do you think it will come to a global depression if we start building solar plants, geotermal plants, wind, tidal...... and other renewable plants. Or why would it come to a global depression if we start using biofuels.

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frako
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Message 121 of 177 (595931)
12-11-2010 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by BarackZero
12-11-2010 12:32 AM


Lets take a look at some graphs to see what the weather has been doing for the recordable past
And as for the year 2010 well July was the second warmest on record and the average jan-july was the warmest on record.
So from where do you get ideas like: "the earth is cooling now, there is no global warming... and all the other crap you spit out."

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Message 122 of 177 (595938)
12-11-2010 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by BarackZero
12-11-2010 12:32 AM


Permanent global depression on an unprecedented scale.
You finishing out your life in a rathole cabin, like "environmentalist" Theodore Kaczynski.
How's that for "down side"?
Ok i will grant that this impossibility is actually possible. Look at it a noter way.
If global warming is wrong and we take action what happens:
- Your ludicrus argument of a global depression well we had a few of those and always came out of them
-Better air, helth, cheper power.
If global warming is wrong and we take no action:
-Things stay the same or get a bit worse because of smog and such stuff no real biggy everybody is happy with lung cancer
If global warming is right and we take action:
- Well lets say our illogical impossible argument stands we get a depression but air is better, we can still feed people on a large scale, no large human migrations from the worst struck locations by climat change ....
If global warming is right and we do not take action:
- Since we applied your worst scenario that has no basis in reality let us apply the worst case scenario that has some basis in fact.
- Coastal cities dissaphere
- Massive migrations to slightly more livable places
- weather patterns that make the monsunes look like summer rain
- The loss of fertile lands do to weather changes bring starvation
- Starvation and overcrowding bring disease
- The global economy does not go to a depression it suths down Completely.....
Now with 2 options to choose from doing something about global warming or doing nothing and not knowing if global warming is happening or that it will only knowing the consequences of your actions what would you choose. No action and the possibility of the end of civilization as we know it, Action and the possibility of a global depression.
And still i would like to know from where do you get the idea of a global depression if you start building solar plants insted of coal plants.

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frako
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Message 127 of 177 (596163)
12-13-2010 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by BarackZero
12-13-2010 12:36 PM


2. Pollution is far worse in third world countries than it is in the United States.
Environmental Performance Index* 2008
----- ------------------------- --------
1 Switzerland 95.5
2 Norway 93.1
3 Sweden 93.1
4 Finland 91.4
5 Costa Rica 90.5
6 Austria 89.4
7 New Zealand 88.9
8 Latvia 88.8
9 Colombia 88.3
10 France 87.8
11 Iceland 87.6
12 Canada 86.3
13 Germany 86.3
14 United Kingdom 86.3
15 Slovenia 86.3
I went to 15 to include my country
35 Ireland 82.7
36 Uruguay 82.3
37 Georgia 82.2
38 Argentina 81.8
39 United States 81.0
And there you have the us on the 39 th place
47.3
143 Chad 45.9
144 Burkina Faso 44.3
145 Mali 44.3
146 Mauritania 44.2
147 Sierra Leone 40.0
148 Angola 39.5
149 Niger 39.1
And the last few.
If you want to look at co2 polution The US ranks nuber 2 on the whole quantity of co2 released. China is in first place but if you look at the co2 per person the US wins by far 20 tones per person while china has 5 tones per person.

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Message 131 of 177 (596271)
12-14-2010 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Tupinambis
12-14-2010 12:24 AM


Re: Technology?
Um what is EROI?
Other then that i get it, an example would be slovenias oil we used to extract it and there is still lots left tough for some reason nobody wants to do it anymore because there is no profit in it or was no profit do to the increase in oil prices maybe someone will start again.

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frako
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Message 134 of 177 (597584)
12-22-2010 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Taz
12-22-2010 12:48 PM


So, if you believe in jesus you have to want to destroy the planet.
Yea these bible stumping fanatics believe that the world is in gods hands and nothing we do will change the planet to something he does not want.
I surly do hope this video is a fake tough i do not doubt that there are fanatics like that all around the world.

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