How to make sand.

Genesis 1:2 depicts an undeterminate period of time when the pre-Edenic planet was a dark premordial soup having the water and the earth unseparated. The advent of the Holy Spirit brought light (text implicating a very hot light, hot enough to evaporate enough water up to form the pre-Noaic atmosphere in preparation for the Edenic genesis.) The possible long period of activity which kept the earth's surface soupy and the waters mixed perhaps formed much of the sand which may be unexplainable by the post Edenic flood.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

I'm sorry but the text says the Holy Spirit and light came at the time of the rising up of the waters to create the atmosphere, clearly implying evaporation which takes heat and lots of it to effect that much evaporation. I'm applying some science, logic and reason to the account according to what is clearly implied.We all know that light produces heat and it takes heat for water to rise. Interpretation of scripture requires some logic and reason to get it right, you know, that stuff you falsely alleged that Biblical creationists do not apply in the debates.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

A. Premordial soup/mud covers the earth.
B. water goes from earth up to the atmosphere having the effect of creating dry land at the higher levels and seas at the lower levels.
C. Light is applied to the dark soupy surface prior to the above, implying that the light source also produced enough heat to effect the evaporation.
D. An energy source, i.e. the Holy Spirit "moved" upon the waters to effect this according to the Biblical record, implying that according to the account the HS was the source of energy.
E. The above is what the Buzsaw hypothesis sggests as a possible cause and effect of the phenomenon of sand as this creationist observes it relative to the Biblical record.1. Other than the source of energy, what about the above is contrary to modern science laws, applications and observations etc.2. How can you alledge that the Genesis account states nothing applicable to modern science?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Thanks for addressing the specifics, Paul. I'm tireing of Jar's substanceless yada. That's not what I hypothesised. If you recap you see that my logic on the making of the sand was that the premordial mix of water and soil, i.e. mud was indicative of something to cause the mix to remain as mud rather than for the soil to settle beneath the water for an undeterminate period of time before light appeared. Whether this was seismic or weather conditions would be unknown but the implication was that there was ongoing mixing of the soup which would perhaps be indicative of producing sand. Not only that, but according to Genesis chapter one, the stars (likely those relative to earth, i.e the Milky Way) did not appear until day 4.Since the record has the earth alone before day four, perhaps this means that the earth came from the other heavens and was placed into the Milky Way galaxy. The revelator of Revelation did prophesy that a new earth would come after this one is finally destroyed subsequent to the millenial reigh of Jesus and that a holy city, "New Jerusalem" would come down from Heaven to the new earth. See Revelation 21:1,2.Likely the legends among global cultures of a flood time on earth was relative to the post Edenic flood and not the premodial soup to which I refer to.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

The question was raised as to how Biblicalist creationists account for the quantity of sand on earth. I'm addressing that. OK?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Where is your model? You have nothing more verifiable than I so far as I've seen. All I see from you is smartass arrogancy.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

1. The mountains were allegedly not original but created by tectonic plate uplift etc and are still high, indicative of no significant desintigration as your model purposes.2. How is your model any more viable than mine which depicts an undeterminate timeperiod of soupy mix on earth being churned by seismic activity etc so as to grind up the rocks & pebbles into sand etc?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

We are all aware that mountains can vary in height. I grew up in the foothills of the Windriver range of the Rockies in Wyoming. I packed back into the mountains on hunting and fishing trips with my parents and friends. The Windriver Range did not appear to have been worn down significantly nor were the rivers, riverbeds and valleys necessarily sandy implicating creation of sand.2. The Ocean beaches and shallow areas which were affected by tides appear to be where the uniform sanding occurs. Perhaps the premordial soup had currents and movement due to the Moon tides etc.3. As I understand it, mainline science believes that the ancient earth was significantly more watery than the present earth and the atmosphere has changed.4. As per the Genesis model, there was no atmosphere until God intervened in the working on the premordial earth. No atmosphere = high incidence of bombardment upon earth from asteroides and debris from space being that the ionosphere (if I recall correctly) is what keeps these things from destroying the planet as it is.
This bombardment would likely have pulverized a lot of rock as well as create monster waves and erosion to form much of the sand observed today.5. Since the Genesis record gives no info on the age of the planet itself, all of the above activity and more could have gone on for a very long time.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Jar, you conveniently (likely on purpose) omitted some of the more pertenant verses relative to my hypothesis. Some of the verses you did cite were ones which had nothing to do with the points of the quote from me (not designated) to me but tied it in with the irrevelant verses which you cited. This is not only shabby work on your part but it is deceptive and appears to be designed to somehow malign my intelligence.Now for the pertenent texts which do apply to the specifics of my hypothesis (the last of which was cited in your group): The above verses are the ones relative to my Genesis hypothetical model.Buzsaw/Genesis Model:
1. Deep dark watery planet surface to which God via his spirit applied work indicative of movement of some manner for an undeterminate period of time; undeterminate because there was yet no sun & moon to effect a 24 hr day.
2. After an undeterminate time, light is applied, likely via the same spirit of God which was doing the work.
3. Verse 6 clearly implies significant evaporation to the extent of creating the atmosphere as per science in that after light indicative of extensive heat so as to evaporate up a significant amount of water enough to create dry land and seas. This all again ensues for an undeterminate period of time, given there was yet no sun and moon etc.
4. Not until all of this work is applied to earth does the sun and moon kick in to become the determination of time as we measure it today and to sustain the plants (created on day 3 before sun & moon) and all living from thence on.Btw, none of the above violates any of the basic scientific laws which makes the above a viable debatable model. The thermodynamic aspect of this has been extensively debated elsewhere so this is not the place to argue that. The reason for all of the above is to hopefully satisfy the demand for a model of how sand could have perhaps been made as per topic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

1. Because God being the one who originated all true science, science should be applied when applicable. As per Gen 1, it took more heat than the sun could provide to create an atmosphere from a dark cold watery planet.2. According to the Biblical record of Gen 1, the 24 hour day was not determined until day four. According to the text it was the presence of the sun that did that.

1. The word "determined" is what distinguishes the days. The days were not determined until the end of day four. The days before day four were not yet determined i.e. established as to a set time length.
Applying the science, this makes good sense being that likely more time and heat was required for creation of the atmosphere. As well, perhaps God created the seeds and provided the time and whatever was needed for the ecology to be in place in preparation for the 24 hour 5th and 6th days when he was to create other living things.Imo, undetermined days means no length of evenings and mornings/days yet established.Furthermore, applying the logic and reason to the science relative to the Biblical record, likely the sun and moon had much to do with the rotation of the earth, again supporting my hypothesis that the days before completion of the sun and moon were undetermined as to length.2. As for the age of the earth, I see narry a word in the record as to how old it was in it's watery dark and void state before the Holy Spirit began working to do the creation. As in the alleged BB before mystery, this remains a mystery. My take on why it was not addressed in the record is that there was no reason for it to be known to mankind. The record begins with as statement about God having created the earth and heavens. Then comes the work being done to prepare the planet and create the things in it to suit the designer/creator, almighty Jehovah, God of the Bible to whom I give all praise, glory and honor!(ABE: The above has been said to say this: As per the Biblical record, the sand could have been formed, sorted and placed both before creative work began on the planet, during the undetermined early days of creation and via the flood. The details of the first two would be unknown as well as some aspects of the flood relative to sand.}Btw, I've been on a 7000 plus road trip and posting has been very sporadic. Your patience is appreciated. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

I'm not aware of any moon sand, but perhaps there's other mysterious sand on planets and/or moons. Here's the link but I wasn't able to access the info. Perhaps some of the mystery of earth's sand is relevant to the mystery pertaining to the other planets and/or moons. Science | AAAS - Similar pages Edited by Buzsaw, : Update Topic .

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

Perhaps whatever/whoever made the planet made the first sand along with the soil. Otherwise one might assume that in the forming of the planet there was nothing but rock. Then it gets even more testy. Perhaps the same thing that made rocks made sand. after all rocks, perse are all sizes, from great all the way down to sand. Otherwise one must begin with solid rock tectonic plates breaking down to large rocks, breaking down to smaller graduations of rock sizes.This leads to questions about the properties of the first soil and variables all the way down from sand to soil/dirt. No?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

I'll clarify the intention of my statement: Whatever, meaning whatever process, whether the current model or another. Whoever, implying an intelligent designer.Assuming the current model, rocks are essentially all sizes from massive to boulders, to stones to pebbles to various sized gravel to sand, relative to size. Humans assign terms determinate on rock size. Magnify a grain of sand enough and it appears to be a boulder.Assuming the current model, over time, all sizes less than massive would be a fragment of a larger rock as I assume the current model to be. No? If not, at what point in time would there have been no sand, no gravel, no stones no etc on up and at what point in time would the smallest sized stone have been, say, a boulder?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.