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Theodoric
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Message 212 of 566 (596598)
12-15-2010 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Dawn Bertot
12-15-2010 3:01 AM


Which church?
This kingdom was of course the Church
Which church would that be?

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Message 213 of 566 (596599)
12-15-2010 7:27 PM
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12-15-2010 12:21 PM


Which church? Part 2
Do you have any evidence that the church is not the kingdom the prophets spoke of?
Which church?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 228 of 566 (596656)
12-16-2010 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Dawn Bertot
12-15-2010 12:21 PM


Are you ignoring me Dawn?
Which church?

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Message 230 of 566 (596660)
12-16-2010 11:25 AM
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12-16-2010 2:38 AM


Re: scriptural unity
they claim inspiration from the Holy Spirit
Please state the line that claims this. Also, what about other religious tracts that claim this and are not in the Canon? Why are the ones in your bible true and others not?
Do you understand the process that resulted in your bible?

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Message 231 of 566 (596661)
12-16-2010 11:27 AM
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12-16-2010 11:24 AM


catholic church
So does this catholic(universal) church exist?

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Message 240 of 566 (596692)
12-16-2010 2:25 PM
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12-16-2010 11:43 AM


Re: catholic church
Certainly. The term simply means universal and for the most part, describes any and all of the recognized Christian sects.
This seems like a ridiculous statement, not quite as ridiculous as Dawns but still it seems rather ridiculous.
Just because a sect, any sect, makes some sort of whatever vague reference to Jesus Christ, it is part of some universal church? Catholic or universal signifies some sort of commonality. I do not see how the term catholic can be used to encompass all of the christian sects.
I think Dawn believes that "church" is the sect he follows and that other christian sects that disagree with his sect are not part of the "church". That is what I am trying to find out from Dawn.

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Message 255 of 566 (596841)
12-17-2010 10:08 AM
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12-15-2010 12:21 PM


Still ignoring I see
Which church?

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Message 337 of 566 (597460)
12-21-2010 7:09 PM
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12-21-2010 7:02 PM


Please explain
Can you explain this line by line bout how this is a prophecy and how it is fulfilled? I just don't see it.
Oh yeah.
I want some of whatever you are smoking

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Message 338 of 566 (597461)
12-21-2010 7:09 PM
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12-21-2010 7:02 PM


Double post
No idea how that happened
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 342 of 566 (597471)
12-21-2010 7:36 PM
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12-21-2010 7:30 PM


Re: Please explain
Read the testaments as they were intended, as an illustration of God as a deliverer of his people, then you will."see it"
In other words you cannot explain any of this mumbo-jumbo.
And if I squeeze my eyes hard enough and wish hard enough I can come up with my own explanation.
I think that about covers it. Right?
Oh yeah one more question.
Who decides how "they were intended" to be read? You must know of someon in charge since there are so many variations of how people believe "they were intended" to be read. I mean you wouldn't just spout nonsense would you?
Edited by Theodoric, : Fixed are/were

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Message 418 of 566 (598135)
12-28-2010 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by Dawn Bertot
12-28-2010 2:56 AM


Re: other scriptures
has ever been verified by an INDEPENDANT source
Kinda like Jesus?
Do you know how to spell? Ever heard of a spellchecker?

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