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Dr Adequate
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Message 281 of 566 (597051)
12-19-2010 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Dawn Bertot
12-18-2010 10:23 PM


Re: scriptural unity
Sorry, when you can boast the history, unity and details that is the 'scriptures', maybe you can make such a claim.
Are you related to the fella that said there was a spaceship behind the moon to take us all away. You must be because your claim carries about as much weight
Do you have any fulfilled predictions before the one you made above? That would also help us believe you
You really should learn how to debate DA. Oh yeah thats right, youve never actually done it, have you?
This gibberish seems unrelated to my point. Perhaps this is because you find my point unanswerable, or perhaps this is merely another manifestation of your long, hopeless, pointless struggle with the English language.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 300 of 566 (597145)
12-19-2010 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Dawn Bertot
12-19-2010 8:20 PM


Re: How to test Dawn Bertot's writings.
So, inspiration is both a logical, structural and Biblical concept that has to be accepted or rejected, PRIOR to any investigation about Messiahs, kingdoms and claims
Nonsense.
We can test the claim that Jesus fulfilled their prophecies without having to form any prior belief on whether they were inspired, uninspired, lucky guessers, unlucky guessers, possessed by devils, lizard-men from the future, prophets ex post facto or what.
Just as you can test my prophecy about the gruuflepuff without first having to know whether God was speaking through me Did you see one? No? Then I was wrong.
If it turned out that Jesus did fulfill their prophecies then we might ask if they were inspired.
Just as if you had seen a grufflepuff you might then have started wondering what my source of information was.
Trying to decide whether they were inspired before deciding whether they were accurate is putting the cart before the horse.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 305 of 566 (597190)
12-20-2010 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 304 by Dawn Bertot
12-20-2010 10:07 AM


Re: How to test Dawn Bertot's writings.
Trying to rely on a source, that one one believes to be unreliable and inacurate, (as jar clearly does)to begin with, is complete nonsense.
No-one is relying on such a source, as you would understand if understanding things was amongst your talents.
Thats the point DA, how can Jar decide thet they are "accurate" before inspired, when he believes thier claims of inspiration and miracles to be myth and made up stuff.
He has not decided that they are accurate, as you would know if knowing things was your forte.
here is an example.
You do not say of what you intended the following drivel to be an example. If it was meant to be an example of a non sequitur, then you have achieved your aim and should rest on your laurels. Otherwise, not so much.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 319 of 566 (597322)
12-20-2010 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Dawn Bertot
12-20-2010 7:50 PM


Re: How to test Dawn Bertot's writings.
He is attempting to demonstrate that the Christ mentioned in the NT, is not who and what the prophets were speaking about
Quite so: just as you might try to demonstrate that the chair you saw on Saturday was not the grufflepuff that I was speaking about.
This is easy to do. You would observe that it did not have purple wings nor play the trombone. Then you'd know that my prophecy did not apply to your chair.
At no point would you have to assume that I was in any way correct or accurate.
By direct implication or outright assertion he is assuming the prophets were correct or accurate in their statements, of and about the the things the prophecied
No, of course he isn't. Don't be silly.
Now if he is saying as you have indicated that they are not accurate, it would follow logically, he has no way of knowing whether Christ was not the fulfillment
Of course he can; just as you can say that I am not accurate and still know that nothing you saw on Saturday was the fulfillment of my prophecy about the grufflepuff.
Indeed, the two go hand in hand. You cannot point out that my prophecy was not fulfilled without also believing that I was inaccurate in making the prophecy.
Or at least a rational person couldn't. I do not wish to set arbitrary limits on your capacity for doublethink.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 322 of 566 (597349)
12-20-2010 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Dawn Bertot
12-20-2010 11:35 PM


Re: How to test Dawn Bertot's writings.
Give me an example of something that one of the prophets said, that does not apply to Christ
Micah 5:
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. [...] And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.
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The rest of your post appears to be your usual nonsensical ravings.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 347 of 566 (597478)
12-21-2010 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 328 by Dawn Bertot
12-21-2010 6:17 PM


Re: How to test Dawn Bertot's writings.
I cant thank you enough for providing that one
You're welcome. Now, it clearly doesn't describe Jesus, does it?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 472 of 566 (598737)
01-02-2011 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by Dawn Bertot
01-02-2011 2:31 AM


Re: other scriptures
As I pointed out earlier, most people that deconvert dont have a firm foundation, they dont even understand basics, so the slightest wind would uproot thier shallow roots system
And yet you have produced a great deal of wind and not noticeably changed anyone's beliefs.
Maybe you should give up on the wind and try some arguments with substance.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 496 of 566 (598761)
01-02-2011 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 474 by Dawn Bertot
01-02-2011 3:07 AM


Re: other scriptures
Iano, Jaywill, Buzzsaw, John10, Bertot and last but certainly not least ICANT. Which of these peoples views have you or the other skeptics here, changed?
I'll give you a hint. Of how many of those people have I ever claimed that "the slightest wind would uproot" their belief systems?
The answer to my question and yours is the same; this is not a coincidence.

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