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Philip Johnson
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Message 41 of 248 (598213)
12-29-2010 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Calypso
01-29-2010 10:24 PM


Young or old universe
It is ironic. Evolutionist (who are supposed to believe in an old universe) believe that the universe went from a speck to the size of 50 billion light years in a split second as a result of Inflation. Creationists (who are said to believe in a young universe) believe that it took 6 days for this to occur. The creationists believe it took a trillion+ times longer for the majority of the universe to come into existance than the evolutionists believe. 1 split second vs. 6 days

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Philip Johnson
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Message 43 of 248 (598217)
12-29-2010 5:09 PM
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12-29-2010 5:04 PM


Re: Young or old universe
I am referring to the time it took for the universe to be 50 billion light years in size. Evolution teaches that as a result of Inflation this occurred in less that a trillionth of a second, whereas creationists say it took several days.

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Philip Johnson
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Message 46 of 248 (598224)
12-29-2010 5:31 PM
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12-29-2010 5:15 PM


Re: Young or old universe
I just find it amusing that evolutionists (within the last 30 years) have come to agree with creationists that the universe got to be 75% of it's current size in less than a week.

Jar, you can google "cosmology inflation" for more information.


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Philip Johnson
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Message 50 of 248 (598244)
12-29-2010 6:26 PM
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12-29-2010 6:20 PM


Re: Young or old universe
Jar, do you believe that the universe was 75% of the size it is now within a second of the Big Bang?

You said you disagreed with my statement that "evolutionists (within the last 30 years) have come to agree with creationists that the universe got to be 75% of it's current size in less than a week". I did not mention stars.


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Philip Johnson
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Message 52 of 248 (598248)
12-29-2010 6:31 PM
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12-29-2010 6:29 PM


Re: Young or old universe
Jar, I am just asking a question. You can skip the derogatory remarks.

Do you believe that the universe was 75% of the size it is now within a second of the Big Bang?


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Philip Johnson
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Message 54 of 248 (598255)
12-29-2010 6:38 PM
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12-29-2010 6:33 PM


Re: Young or old universe
Jar, the universe is 90+ billion light years in size at present. Do you believe it was 50+ billion light years in size within a second after the Big Bang?

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Philip Johnson
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Message 65 of 248 (598314)
12-30-2010 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by jar
12-29-2010 6:51 PM


Re: Young or old universe
I wrote: "Do you believe it was 50+ billion light years in size within a second after the Big Bang?"

jar wrote: "No idea, but that simply has no meaning anyway."

How can you say that question has no meaning. Cosmological Inflation (that the universe expanded to 75% of its current size within a split second of the Big Bang) was conceived to try to answer the classic conundrum of the Big Bang cosmology: why does the universe appear flat, homogeneous and isotropic in accordance with the cosmological principle when one would expect, on the basis of the physics of the Big Bang, a highly curved, heterogeneous universe? Inflation also explains the origin of the large-scale structure of the cosmos.

Do you believe in the Big Bang Theory without Inflation, the Big Bang Theory with Inflation, or some other theory concerning the formation of the universe?


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Philip Johnson
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Message 67 of 248 (598318)
12-30-2010 10:09 AM
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12-30-2010 9:59 AM


Re: Young or old universe
I wrote: "Do you believe in the Big Bang Theory without Inflation, the Big Bang Theory with Inflation, or some other theory concerning the formation of the universe?"

jar wrote: "I say it has no meaning because you have not yet explained what you mean by this Universe."

The word "universe" is commonly defined as the totality of all physical matter and energy.

So, do you believe in the Big Bang Theory without Inflation, the Big Bang Theory with Inflation, or some other theory concerning the formation of all physical matter and energy?"


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Philip Johnson
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Message 75 of 248 (598669)
01-01-2011 6:26 PM
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01-01-2011 8:56 AM


Re: Young or old universe
Percy wrote: "Since the diameter of the observable universe grew from effectively 0 light years about 13.7 billion years to about 93 billion light years today."

Are you of the opinion that nothing can go faster than the speed of light? Is the radius of the universe increasing by at most 1 light year every year since nothing can go faster than the speed of light?


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