Can a valid, supportable reason be offered for deconversion

there are no philosophical reasons, didnt you see stripes, moron"Traaaainnnng Siiiiiiir"Dont you remember francis? he was psychotic. "You touch any of my things Ill kill you". Any of you H...s touch me ill kill you" "Any of you guys call me francis, ill kill ya'"Lighten up Francis", Sergeant Hulka son, you simply dont understand the reasoning process and you have missed the point of the thread.A valid logical argument set out in logical form, is all I was looking for, not all this rehtoric you are putting forwardEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

Thats funny, I must be lying because I disagree with you. That says alot about your personalityAre you mad because I disagree with your conclusions. I honestly and firmly believe no argument has been presented in logical presentation, the conclusion of which is irrefutable, that would and should cause a person to deconvertAs I pointed out earlier, most people that deconvert dont have a firm foundation, they dont even understand basics, so the slightest wind would uproot thier shallow roots systemI dont see why you cant just stick with the argument, you insist on making 3/4s of your posts personal attacks and insults.Honestly they are not worth reading. it like trying to dodge punches, while Im trying to conduct buisnessIf you are still IN, perhaps anger management classes are in order. Dude, let that part of it go.In 45 years of this it hasnt phased me, you must understand it wont at this pointDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

I know you directed this at ICANT, but explain what it is you think I have lied aboutpersonally I think you just get carried away with your emotions, dont really know how to respond to something, then attack people.What have i lied about. PLEASE, FOR HEAVENS AND MY SAKE, NO LECTURES, (disoratations)just a few lines explaining this assertionDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

because its the rational way to proceedlet me help you here. Look at me as if you were looking and speaking with a Vulcan. No Im not delusional and think I actually am. Your reading into me deception and secret motives that dont exist. There is no emotion or deception here, Im just asking what can be presented in a logical fashion as to why one might deconvert.Not who deconverted, not why you think they deconverted. Not who is lying and who is not. Simply the argument that swayed them to that positionIf people have deconverted based on the reasons dewise suggest concerning creationism, then they did not understand what creation and its primary arguments wereyou really need to let it go that I disagree, that is what debating is about, disagreementjust stick to the "argument"Dawn Bertot

Let me guess, your drinking right about this point arent you Son? be honestYour right Son its not about Deconversion specifically, it ABOUT THE ARGUMENT ONE USES TO DECONVERT, which would include
the things we have been discussingPlease tell me your really not that ignorant, to not see that pointWoW. Be honest your smashed right now, arent you?Dawn

it is never right to lie, in any situation, it is a moral incorrectness, even in rahabs case.I would lie in those situations to save another life, but my actions dont make it moral or rightIf it did, anyone could justify any situation in thier own mind, in which case there would be no reason it would ever be wrongDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

}We all know what deconversion means dewise. Its not about the term specifically but the reason/s that anyone might offer, set out logically, to that deconversionwhy is that so hard to understand?

Iano, Jaywill, Buzzsaw, John10, Bertot and last but certainly not least ICANT. Which of these peoples views have you or the other skeptics here, changed?Disagreement doesnt equal misunderstanding.Dawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

Wow you really dont get this do you? We were looking at the same text, which clearly included the example of inspiration as much as prophecyNow according to your own rules, looking stickly at the text, how could i be ASSUME what is there and the rules you use to establish things just from the textI did not assume inspiration any more than you assumed your interpretation of that textfrom a biblical perspective, what known facts would inspiration conflict with in the Bible or IsaWhat are you smoking dudeDawn Bertot

Yeah people diasagree with you for very good reasons in thier own minds and arguments, so there must be something wrong with them, correct?These types of tactics only make you appear as biased and prejudiced before you actually present an argument for deconversionNone of that post you just gave has anything to do with the actual topicDawn Bertot

maybe because some one somewhere might be right, or is that not a possibility for you. That fact that you attack me personally because i hold to what I know to be true, because i have tried and tested it for nearly 45 years, simply aggrevates youYour blinded by your hatred.Try and stick with just the argumentsDawn Bertot

Really. Arch, this is what I have been arguing the whole time. I assumed we were speaking strickly from a biblical perspective. When I saw what you actually believed i manuvered it to the challenging you as to what you believed actually My reasoning is not circular if the argument is based against another argument Biblically based. I thought we were discussing the two passages from the two books, with inspiration as a clear part of the text.If inspiration is questionalbe then so is everything else and who cares, right?That is where I thought we were at. if it is not then we start the discussion somewhere elseDawn BertotEdited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

Youve presented no argument. Saying why you believe they have left is not an argument. Give me thier argument.As i have tried to explain to you before, to which you do not understand, this thread is about the specific arguments that could be brought forward for deconversion.Not a list of WHO has deconverted and HOW many in droves and the such like that you keep presentingWatch me present the same type of "argument" that has been characteristic of your postsAtheism, skepticism, etc makes up about 5 to 7 percent of the worlds population and the rest of the population share or have some form of belief in God, scripture and the afterlife.IOWs you are like a faulty firecracker finally going off. We all stop and look for a moment then turn back to what is rational, believable and acceptableSo now, according to your reasoning and how you have applied these tiresome posts, we must be right because we are in the majority, correct?Now we can continue to do what you have been doing or we can actually look at specific argumentsDawn Bertot

Again and to which you keep paying no attention, if the writer claims inspiration and is not actually miraculously inspired there is no reason to believe a single thing they say.If inspiration is not real and actual as the text states, then it changes the whole reason and perspective of what you are doing and who might have fulfilled this or thatMuchless whether Jesus was some fulfillment of some unreliable, lying, imaginative person, some 1000 years earlerIn contrast, if you are not sure of his inspiration, dont believe it, dont believe he is the author, not sure of its reliability, then logically there is no way you could know he WAS NOT that fulfillment. You would be guessing the same as anyone else Not if we are both looking at the texts, what they say and what they include, (Inspiration from God)in this instance I cannot ASSUME it as a conclusion, because it IS THERE in plain sight like all the details of your "Son" and the Prophecy are there to begin with, to draw a conclusionNo assumption or circular reasoning is required when I have the necessary ingredients provided for meThat is if we are going to go by your own rules. Your the one that set them up, not meDawn Bertot

Sure there real, but like skepticism itself it serves no useful purpose and burns out quicklyYou fellas have no real impact, because after all these years, you still make up a percentage so small its barley worth mentioning, correctif you are so successful shouldnt the numbers be greater after thousands of years.What happened Panda, what went wrong?Dawn Bertot