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Author Topic:   Can a valid, supportable reason be offered for deconversion
bluescat48
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Message 12 of 566 (595409)
12-08-2010 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by nwr
12-08-2010 10:09 AM


It's pretty simple. People deconvert when they come to the conclusion that the claims of the religion are not true.
That is the "hook, line & sinker" of the argument. No matter what reason is given for deconversion, the conclusion that the claims of the religion are not true is the major factor.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 71 of 566 (596152)
12-13-2010 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by arachnophilia
12-13-2010 11:35 AM


i think that's a little harsh. surely, the contents of the bible weren't entirely meant for children. i mean, there's rape and genocide, incest, all kinds of things you shouldn't expose children to.
In reality, those things shouldn't be exposed to adults. There is more than enough genocide, rape , incest and other evils in reality. We don't need reinforcement in Biblical stories, through which some have attempted to justify that evil.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 99 of 566 (596240)
12-13-2010 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Dawn Bertot
12-13-2010 9:23 PM


Your analogy is quite inaccurate and its attempts to equate Christianity w/Santa are easily deniable and silly
Oh, really? Talking snakes? All different languages do to an attempt to build a tower to heaven? A man spends 3 days in the stomach of a large fish or whale(depending on the translation)? A flood which reduces all animals to a single pair or 7 pairs of the clean, with no genetic bottleneck? a couple million people traverse the Sinai desert for 40 years and leave no evidence of them having been there?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 100 of 566 (596241)
12-13-2010 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by arachnophilia
12-13-2010 6:57 PM


Although I was being sarcastic, your statement
also being fair, "attempted to justify" is probably not accurate either. while some of the evils are examples of evils, sure, others, like genocide, are specifically advocated. the bible does portray genocide as justifiable, and even commands the ancient israelites to commit it against certain enemies.
is somewhat sensable, although it has been taken wrongly a number of times ie:
The Nazis, the KKK etc.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 125 of 566 (596343)
12-14-2010 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 9:32 AM


Abortion, Liberal agendas
What has that to do with genocide?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 127 of 566 (596346)
12-14-2010 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 9:08 AM


What do man made objects have to do with talking snakes?
19 inch talking boxes have evidence otherwise I could not answer your post. Where is the evidence for the talking snakes, biblical flood, the exodus etc?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 243 of 566 (596742)
12-16-2010 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by jar
12-16-2010 2:34 PM


Re: catholic church
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
Shouldn't that read one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 246 of 566 (596804)
12-16-2010 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by jar
12-16-2010 6:08 PM


Re: catholic church
Just wondering, with no commas it appears that one & holy modify catholic rather than church.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 257 of 566 (596845)
12-17-2010 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by jar
12-17-2010 10:17 AM


Re: catholic church
It appears to be semantical.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 443 of 566 (598632)
01-01-2011 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 440 by Dawn Bertot
01-01-2011 12:22 PM


Re: other scriptures
The only lie is not including design and therefore a designer, in the explanationof the sources of things in existence.
When evidence of such can be shown, then it can be incorporated. Otherwise it is a lie.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 511 of 566 (598801)
01-02-2011 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 508 by Dawn Bertot
01-02-2011 4:58 PM


Re: highly illogical
Again and to which you keep paying no attention, if the writer claims inspiration and is not actually miraculously inspired there is no reason to believe a single thing they say.
So how does one know if the writer is inspired or not? That is the problem. Without some some kind of evidence, then none of it is inspired or it all is since there is no way of knowing if what the storyteller is an actual occurrence or something he dreamed up.
Edited by bluescat48, : sp

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 532 of 566 (598914)
01-03-2011 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by Dawn Bertot
01-03-2011 5:28 PM


Re: other scriptures
Ones like Jaywill, Icant, Buzz and myself clearly have firm foundation
Ok, I'll bite. What is this "firm foundation?"
As a person who was indoctrinated into Christianity stating at age 5,
but later left because I could find no foundation even when the initial class stared off with "These are the absolute truths, you cannot question them."

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 541 of 566 (598951)
01-04-2011 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 535 by Dawn Bertot
01-03-2011 7:39 PM


Re: other scriptures
learning and knowing the evidence behind the scriptures
That is the point, there is none. Only man's interpretation of the stories.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 543 of 566 (598979)
01-04-2011 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 542 by jar
01-04-2011 12:01 PM


Re: other scriptures
Well there is some evidence. For example looking at the Isaiah story we can find evidence of the things mentioned actually happening, but only at that time, not over 600 years later.
I'll accept that.
Edited by bluescat48, : typ

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 564 of 566 (599034)
01-04-2011 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by arachnophilia
01-04-2011 4:34 PM


Re: other scriptures
what jar said is true. there is indeed archaeological and historical evidence associated with some of the stories in the bible.
I don't deny that nor do i deny that there are parts of the Illiad or Gone with The Wind that are evidenced. The point I using in response to Dawn was virtually that. Just because there is some evidence that the person, place or thing occurred, it doesn't necessarily make the entire story true, which is the lack of evidence I was speaking of.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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