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Theodoric
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Message 151 of 177 (599013)
01-04-2011 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by GDR
01-04-2011 3:49 PM


Al Gore? Really?
I don't know but there are those who make a very good income, such as Al Gore, from the promotion of global warming
Care to show how Mr. Gore is doing this?
It is very easy to attack Al Gore, but please show the following.
1)The income he is making from the promotion of global warming.
2) How he is specifically making money off of his promotion of global warming.
You have blatant made the first assertion and have implied the second. Do you have evidence for either? You are also implying he is guilty of something unethical. Can you show what this is?
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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GDR
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Message 152 of 177 (599018)
01-04-2011 5:27 PM
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01-04-2011 4:06 PM


Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Taz writes:
And there is no one denying the fact that temperature fluctuates up and down. What's up now is that the spike in world average temperatures fit perfectly with the spike in co2 emissions in the last century. Here is a question you can ask yourself. Would you say that increase in co2 concentration in the atmosphere traps more heat, traps the same amount of heat, or traps less heat in the atmosphere?
To be honest Taz I'm here to learn. The only metrerology I have studied was aviation related and I am not even qualified to hazard a guess as to the answer to that question.
Taz writes:
Or here is something to consider. So what if it turns out to be that the real cause for global warming ain't co2 emissions? Would you rather do something and find out later it was unnecessary or would you rather not do anything and find out later it was necessary?
As I said to jar, combatting CO2 emmisions will cost people their livelihood, and I'd hate to see that done if it isn't of any use. Also, as I pointed out to jar if it isn't CO2 emmisions it is something else, and maybe we will miss out on what we might have been able to do with whatever else is causing the problem.
Taz writes:
As a christian, if you really care you should be out there telling your fellow christians to stop trying to impede progress on environmental and human rights issues.
Frankly I don't know Christians who are not concerned about the environment. I think you've been hanging out with the wrong group of Christians or you've been paying to much attention to the strawman version of Christianity that is so often under attack.

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jar
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Message 153 of 177 (599021)
01-04-2011 5:34 PM
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01-04-2011 5:18 PM


Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
LOL too funny.
GDR writes:
It is an important question to answer. If it is considered to be from CO2 emmisions there will a great many people who will lose their jobs. If it is not CO2 emmisions and we focus on that then possibly we are missing the real reason and not doing something about that.
Sorry but that too is simply wrong and irrelevant even if true.
It does not matter whether the cause is CO2 emissions or not. CO2 are one of the few things that we can have limited control over. If the rise is only partially due to man caused CO2 and the majority from Natural CO2 emissions then we need to cut the man made CO2 even more.
To say that it might lead to people losing jobs is simply a demonstration of lack of thought. Part of what we should be doing is transitioning people from one work sector into another.
Finally, addressing the CO2 issue does NOT mean that we should not also be addressing and investigating other areas.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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GDR
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Message 154 of 177 (599023)
01-04-2011 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Theodoric
01-04-2011 5:20 PM


Re: Al Gore? Really?
Theodoric writes:
Care to show how Mr. Gore is doing this?
I don't know how much he gets for public speaking but "An Inconvenient Truth" cost a million to make and grossed over 49 million.
This of course does not mean that he's wrong. Frankly that's my problem - I don't know. That in itself is a problem, but I don't think that those who are really in a position to do something know either, and in the end it becomes about politicians trying to figure out position will garner the most votes. I apologise in advance for my cynicism.
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frako
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Message 155 of 177 (599025)
01-04-2011 5:55 PM
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01-04-2011 5:37 PM


Re: Al Gore? Really?
Frankly that's my problem - I don't know.
Then google the data yourself, and make a logical conclusion.
And after you find out for yourself if there is global warming going on what would not stopping it mean for mankind. You can google the data on that too.

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xongsmith
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Message 156 of 177 (599029)
01-04-2011 6:05 PM
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01-04-2011 5:37 PM


Re: Al Gore? Really?
GDR writes:
I don't know how much he gets for public speaking but "An Inconvenient Truth" cost a million to make and grossed over 49 million.
I did a simple google and found out that Al and Tipper Gore are giving 100% of the proceeds from "An Inconvenient Truth" the movie and the book to global warming research. Admittedly Al is the Chairman of Alliance for Climate Protection, so there remains a lot of room for Hanky Panky.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Taq
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Message 157 of 177 (599030)
01-04-2011 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by GDR
01-04-2011 5:18 PM


Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
It is an important question to answer. If it is considered to be from CO2 emmisions there will a great many people who will lose their jobs. If it is not CO2 emmisions and we focus on that then possibly we are missing the real reason and not doing something about that.
How many grain farmers in Australia have already lost their jobs due to climate change? A lot. How many businesses in southern Florida will go away when the polar ice caps melt? Quite a few, being underwater and all.

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GDR
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Message 158 of 177 (599037)
01-04-2011 6:57 PM
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01-04-2011 5:55 PM


Re: Al Gore? Really?
frako writes:
And after you find out for yourself if there is global warming going on what would not stopping it mean for mankind. You can google the data on that too.
It isn't a question of if it's going on or not. The question is why it's going on and there are experts on all sides on that.

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GDR
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Message 159 of 177 (599039)
01-04-2011 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by xongsmith
01-04-2011 6:05 PM


Re: Al Gore? Really?
This is from the NY Times. Don't get me wrong, this isn't to say he is wrong but Al Gore does have a vested interest.
Gore’s Dual Role: Advocate and Investor - The New York Times

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GDR
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Message 160 of 177 (599042)
01-04-2011 7:02 PM
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01-04-2011 6:10 PM


Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Taq writes:
How many grain farmers in Australia have already lost their jobs due to climate change? A lot. How many businesses in southern Florida will go away when the polar ice caps melt? Quite a few, being underwater and all.
But, if cutting human CO2 emissions doesn't have any effect then none of that will change but many others besides would be affected unnecessarily.

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Theodoric
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Message 161 of 177 (599043)
01-04-2011 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by GDR
01-04-2011 5:27 PM


Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
The only metrerology I have studied was aviation related and I am not even qualified to hazard a guess as to the answer to that question.
Here is where climate change deniers make their pivotal mistake. They rely on meteorology rather than climatology. Global climate change is a climatological issue not a meteorological one.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 162 of 177 (599045)
01-04-2011 7:05 PM
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01-04-2011 7:00 PM


Re: Al Gore? Really?
So you are sticking with your implication that Al Gore is some how fanning the flames for personal gain?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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GDR
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Message 163 of 177 (599065)
01-04-2011 7:49 PM
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01-04-2011 7:05 PM


Re: Al Gore? Really?
Theodoric writes:
So you are sticking with your implication that Al Gore is some how fanning the flames for personal gain?
Not really. There is no one involved in this that doesn't have a personal axe to gring even if it just the threat of having to pay higher taxes.
I don't know what drives Gore personally but like everyone else he does have a personal interest.

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GDR
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Message 164 of 177 (599066)
01-04-2011 7:52 PM
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01-04-2011 7:03 PM


Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Theodorice writes:
Here is where climate change deniers make their pivotal mistake. They rely on meteorology rather than climatology. Global climate change is a climatological issue not a meteorological one.
Agreed. I only mentioned meteorology to point out that I am not qualified to argue the case one way or the other.

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Taz
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Message 165 of 177 (599072)
01-04-2011 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by GDR
01-04-2011 5:27 PM


Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
GDR writes:
Frankly I don't know Christians who are not concerned about the environment. I think you've been hanging out with the wrong group of Christians or you've been paying to much attention to the strawman version of Christianity that is so often under attack.
Let me see. Tea party associates itself heavily with christianity denies GW. Republican party associates itself heavily with christianity denies GW and are anti-green technology. They even have a track record of anti-environmental policies. I've been to dozens of churches, all of which deny GW. Considering the fact that my side of the family and friends are conservative christians, most social events we attend are also attended heavily by christians. And so far, most I have talked to deny GW and are anti-green technology.
Human rights issues. The only groups who have consistently resisted very loudly human rights like desegregation, women rights, and gay rights are christian organizations. In fact, we're seeing the latest issue being panned out right now as we speak. Christian churches literally spend millions of dollars to campaign against gay rights legislations.
You need to get out more.
As I said to jar, combatting CO2 emmisions will cost people their livelihood, and I'd hate to see that done if it isn't of any use. Also, as I pointed out to jar if it isn't CO2 emmisions it is something else, and maybe we will miss out on what we might have been able to do with whatever else is causing the problem.
You mean all those farmers in Australia who have lost everything in the last decade because of climate change? A decade ago, Australia was one of the world's leading exporters of grain. Now, they're not exporting at all. Their decade long drought has been officially accepted as climate change.
Glaciers are melting. The ice on mountain tops are melting faster than ever before. This means that the aqueducts are overflowing at certain times of the year and not producing enough water in others.
No doubt, the first nations that will be affected are of course third world countries.
Beside co2 emissions and methane gas escaping from the tundra, can you suggest another source of green house gas?
To be honest Taz I'm here to learn. The only metrerology I have studied was aviation related and I am not even qualified to hazard a guess as to the answer to that question.
Meteorology deals with seasonal changes. Climatology deals with the climate. Please try to understand the difference first.

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