Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?

What wheels Buz? Where are these alleged wheels?

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Other chariot wheels having no corroborating evidence or relevance to the Exodus are strawmen, given my privious messages.How about posting something sensible, Ringo. You're really scraping the bottom here.

The ones at Nuweiba. The ones in the midst of the corroborating evidence, that secularist marine scientists are reticent to research and falsify, concerned that they will confirm them to be valid.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

Knock off the "secularist" nonsense!It seems you think that anyone who fails to find the evidence you believe has to be there (somewhere) is one of those dreaded "secularists."Sorry, but when it comes to archaeology and the things that drive archaeologists (and I presume the other sciences as well) you have no clue. You would do better to keep silent in such matters lest you be thought... well, you know.If I, as an archaeologist of some 40 years experience, were to find evidence of a global flood that I could conclusively document, I would spread it as far and wide as I could and then demand that the Nobel Committee coin a special Nobel Prize for archaeology. I could retire to a life of luxury and acclaim on the lecture circuit. The name "Coyote" would surpass that of Darwin in history.Problem is, in 40 years of research I have found the opposite; my own research proves that the global flood did not occur about 4,350 years as described. So that makes me a dreaded "secularist," eh?Get a grip!

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

What are they going to confirm, that they are wheels? Even if they are chariot wheels, from the period in question, all it would prove is that a chariot was there not who was driving it or why? What is there to falsify?

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

actually, i suspect the first thing you'd do, being a good scientist, is get some geologist friends to look at it and try to find problems. then you'd likely do some more research, write a study, and submit it for peer review. well, yes, because you're looking at the physical evidence instead of the biblical evidence.Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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Correct. That's part of what I meant by "conclusively document."We routinely work with geomorphologists and a variety of other -ologists. When we don't know something, we know find experts who do.Then we put that evidence out there in excruciating detail--the more far-reaching the claim, the more evidence you need--for peer review.That's the problem with the global flood ca. 4,350 years ago. The evidence since the early 1800s has all been against such a belief. The early geologists were creationists, seeking to prove the flood happened. The last of the early diehards gave up in something like the 1820s or thereabouts.And that is why someone who could provide convincing evidence of such a global flood now would become so famous.But I wouldn't want to bet the rent money that it will happen.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

ah, gotcha. cheers.

Eh, this thread is not about the flood. It's about something a whole lot more falsifiable. It's of significant archeological data relevant to ancient history as things like the pyramids, etc. It has to do with researching ancient Egypt and the whole region which has become so prevalent on the world scene.Believe me, if it had nothing to do with supporting the Biblical record, Ballard and others would be on it like piranha fish on a chunk of steak.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

Bluescat, did you read the title of the message to which you responded. See that word corroborate? That means there's other evidence supportive to the Exodus relating the wheels in the sea.

Sorry, I can no longer believe much of anything you say.You have consistently misrepresented or denied the evidence and misconstrued what other posters have said. Your religious bias has blinded you to all evidence contrary to your beliefs.Example: you have selected the least important part of my post to rebut, while ignoring what I really said. That's pretty silly, but it reinforces what my post actually said.Again: Get a grip!

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

On the contrary, unless you can relate the chariot wheels to a specific event - i.e. the Exodus - they are irrelevant. There is nothing to distinguish them from any other chariot wheels. The same goes for the so-called "corroborating evidence". You've done nothing to link any of it directly to the Exodus.The Exodus was a group of PEOPLE escaping from Egypt. If you have no evidence of the people, you have no evidence of the Exodus.

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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Corroborating evidence was cited on both sides of the crossing, including the large beach in a topography where escape would be impossible without the crossing of the sea,

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That is NOT corroborating evidence.

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the unusual split rock

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It has not been established that it is unusual enough to be significant evidence. And I DID ask.

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the blacked top mountain

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Which was explained as a geological feature when it was raised before, which it cannot be if it is the biblical site. A little more work to do on that one.

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the Biblical identification of Midian in Arabia as location of Mt Sinai

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There is no such identification. The Bible simply identifies it as being in "Arabia" which is a far wider region, including the traditional site.

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the bull inscriptions

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Cherry-picked examples of quite common petroglyphs - with no dating evidence.

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The wheels were not here and there, perse. They were at the most shallow area of the Sea and at a beach large enough for a large multitude at the precise area where the other corroborating evidence exists.

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By which you mean the coral formations which are CLAIMED to be built around wheels. The ones which supposedly contain iron - which was not used on ancient Egyptian chariot wheels.Some of these things are not evidence at all. The best that can be said is that some might possibly turn out to be significant after further investigation. But a few "maybes" aren't really enough to launch an expensive expedition..

How many have been recovered and studied? Do you have a picture of one of these alleged wheels?

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

When did you become a mindreader Buz? how do your know their motivations?

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor