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Topic: When does killing an animal constitute murder?
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 88 of 352 (594897)
12-05-2010 4:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 85 by Straggler
12-05-2010 3:54 PM
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Re: Moral Dilemma
And I have replied that it depends on the circumstances. The bit with a bug vs a human is just too silly. Now I will try to give you some insight as to my moral stance, for what it is worth. If a psychopath was threatening to kill a human, I would try to stop the psychopath. If a burglar was threatening to kill my wife, I would try to stop the burglar. No negotiating. No bargaining. No choices. Just stop the psychopath or burglar. If that results in the psychopath or burglar dying, I will be sorry. But they will stop.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 91 of 352 (594900)
12-05-2010 4:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 90 by Meldinoor
12-05-2010 4:01 PM
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Re: Moral Dilemma
I would still try to intervene. Legality enters in that case; legally there are limits on what actions I can take. Edited by jar, : add second line.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 103 of 352 (594912)
12-05-2010 4:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by Straggler
12-05-2010 4:05 PM
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Re: Moral Dilemma
Straggler writes: If the psychopath was threatening to kill a bug would you try to stop that? The person is still a psychopath by your definition and so I would still have to try to stop him. Do you see how silly your example really is? Now if it was just some random person killing a bug I might not even notice, however more than once I've stopped someone from killing a bug so I could take it back outside and let it go free.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 120 of 352 (594951)
12-05-2010 7:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 119 by ringo
12-05-2010 7:12 PM
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Making up Moral Dilemmas is easy.
Ringo writes: If you had to choose between killing the worst dregs of humanity or the extinction of a "mere" insect species, what would you do? If you can't come down on the side of humanity in a specific scenario, your generalizations are meaningless. It's always easy to make up dilemmas. For example, is any human life worth the loss of bees?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 138 of 352 (595054)
12-06-2010 12:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 137 by Straggler
12-06-2010 11:59 AM
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Re: Making up Moral Dilemmas is easy.
A human is far too big to use for bait. Look, I can see that it is possible to create really stupid examples but honestly, that is not a moral dilemma, that example is just silly.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 141 of 352 (595059)
12-06-2010 12:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Straggler
12-06-2010 12:10 PM
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Re: Making up Moral Dilemmas is easy.
I believe that you believe that is true, but sorry, there is little more that you are going to get from me. I cannot imagine a situation arising where I need to go shark fishing or should one arise, where I can find no substitute for bait than a human, so it's simply silly. Hardly seems like a real moral dilemma, more like juvenile fantasy.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 155 of 352 (595093)
12-06-2010 2:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 144 by Straggler
12-06-2010 12:46 PM
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Re: Making up Moral Dilemmas is easy.
I remain unwilling to play silly games, and yes, that is my position.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 217 of 352 (595460)
12-08-2010 5:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 216 by ringo
12-08-2010 5:02 PM
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What we can learn?
Ringo writes: You can't evaluate the "collective moral outlook" of a society by looking at nothing but its laws. Except perhaps to say that the more laws they have the less moral the society. Edited by jar, : fix subtitle
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Way too funny. I'm sorry but other than comedic relief was there a point to your message?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 306 of 352 (599774)
01-10-2011 2:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 305 by ringo
01-10-2011 2:17 PM
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Re: Human Rights For Apes?
Well, I for one am glad the the great apes in Spain may soon have their rights.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 308 of 352 (599779)
01-10-2011 2:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 307 by ringo
01-10-2011 2:29 PM
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Re: Human Rights For Apes?
Well, I think it is only one day of the year and one street in one city where the freedom of the street is given to cattle and then only to cattle of the masculine child type. I could likely live with the bears in Spain being given equal rights.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: The US Declaration of Independence needs to be fixed
Does that really cover those lifeforms that are so highly evolved that they no longer separate self from all life?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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