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Dr Jack
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Message 327 of 527 (586126)
10-11-2010 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 325 by barbara
10-11-2010 9:50 AM


Re: Entropy
How does entropy work in evolution?
The same way it does it absolutely anything else. Do you mean how does the 2nd law of thermodynamics relate to evolution? In which case: it allows biological organisms to work at all.

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Message 335 of 527 (586152)
10-11-2010 2:29 PM
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10-11-2010 2:05 PM


Re: Entropy
No.
Entropy doesn't do anything. It's a measure of something.

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Message 354 of 527 (586424)
10-13-2010 8:29 AM
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10-11-2010 6:23 PM


Re: Entropy
Yes, you are correct in that it is what I meant to say. The environment does not decay DNA to a less organized level as a function of time. Correct?
DNA, separated from the machinery that maintains its integrity in the cell will degrade over time, yes. And the ways in which in does so relate to the second law of thermodynamics but, of course, if the second law didn't operate in the first place DNA would not form or stay together in the first place

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Message 522 of 527 (600363)
01-14-2011 6:32 AM
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01-13-2011 11:45 PM


Re: living transitional skeletons
I'm with Wounded King, sharks are not descended from teleosts, which is what I'd understand bony fish to mean.

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Message 523 of 527 (600364)
01-14-2011 6:46 AM
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01-11-2011 6:40 PM


The trouble with Creationists
Second of all, any system such as the first circulatory system has to be complete with the pipelines to every location, the heart fully developed and so-forth. I have brought all this up in great detail in the past and the lame answer comes back that this all developed at the same time. Even if that were possible (which it isn't) you have the catch 22 problem. The complete system would have taken eons of time to develop. How could life be possible during this time?
And this is the trouble with Creationists: you don't know your biology.
Pick up any decent textbook on the diverse biology and read it. You'll soon discover that there are animals living today that prove your argument completely wrong. There are animals in which the organs are simply suspended in fluid. Animals which have a sort of circulation system with no heart in which the fluid is moved simply by the motions of the animal. Animals with a primitive sort of heart - really nothing more than a bit of muscle that keeps the fluid moving. Animals with the separated lung/body circulation you see in humans, but an undivided heart so that the oxygenated and deoxygenataed bloods mix as it pumps, semi-divided hearts that improve the separation of the two and then hearts like ours which fully divide the two.
If you took the time to study even a little bit of biology you'd know how absurd your claims that such things couldn't exist and wouldn't work really are.

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Message 525 of 527 (600369)
01-14-2011 8:23 AM
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01-14-2011 7:03 AM


Re: living transitional skeletons
No, I'm afraid not. The fish that have bones where the sharks have cartilage are all teleosts, it is generally accepted that elasmobranches (inc. Sharks) did not evolved from the teleost fish.

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