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jar
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Message 286 of 299 (598853)
01-03-2011 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by iano
01-03-2011 10:36 AM


Re: dealing with stuff
iano writes:

The philosophy of the perpetual journey - never to arrive at a destination.

Presumably this belief is subject to evolution?

Huh?

What makes you think that there are no destinations?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 287 of 299 (598858)
01-03-2011 11:23 AM
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01-03-2011 10:45 AM


Re: dealing with stuff
A destination, a terminus, an end-of-the-line ... is necessarily an answer to a question. You tell us not to look for answers to questions.

abe: perhaps you didn't mean that but were encouraging that enquiry never cease (irrespective of the destination one might be enquiring about).

Edited by iano, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 288 of 299 (598862)
01-03-2011 11:36 AM
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01-03-2011 11:23 AM


Re: dealing with stuff
I am saying one should continue to question all the answers.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 289 of 299 (598869)
01-03-2011 12:22 PM
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01-03-2011 11:36 AM


Re: dealing with stuff
Then clearly you can't consider yourself to have arrived at a destination.

Destination/terminus/end-of-line.


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jar
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Message 290 of 299 (598871)
01-03-2011 12:35 PM
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01-03-2011 12:22 PM


Re: dealing with stuff
I have arrived at a destination many times. The really nice thing about life is that tomorrow you can go on to a new destination.

If you enjoy playing silly word games then fine, however an answer should never be an and point, a terminus, while someone is still alive.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 291 of 299 (598873)
01-03-2011 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 284 by dwise1
01-03-2011 10:29 AM


Re: One Reason or Many?
It's certainly has multiple for me. I was skeptic as a teen, the OCD wrecked my will to believe, and destroyed the often used argument that god ''guides'' you personally for me.

I then began to form the argument by humans being so sinful by biological nature it seems strange God created us and proceeds to be disappointed.

Aside from that, I gradually learnt more about the debate, and the more I thought about it, the weaker most theistic arguments seemed, and the stronger the atheistic ones. The argument of senseless suffering also was a big one for me. Plus I learned more stuff that made the bible less and less true for me.

And then it all combined, the natural sinfulness with doubt of the bible, and all the surrounding arguments, my personal experience being negative.. It's all linked, and I only dared to deconvert when I felt sure enough.

So yeah, multiple arguments, and I need to have multiple to not get thrown back into doubt limbo, which I have grown to hate by now.


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Message 292 of 299 (598877)
01-03-2011 1:23 PM
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01-03-2011 12:22 PM


iano writes:

Then clearly you can't consider yourself to have arrived at a destination.


When you arrive at "a" destination, the obvious question to ask yourself is, "Is this where I want to be?"


"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Message 293 of 299 (598881)
01-03-2011 1:37 PM
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01-03-2011 12:35 PM


Re: dealing with stuff
jar writes:

I have arrived at a destination many times. The really nice thing about life is that tomorrow you can go on to a new destination.

I thought as much. Which is why I suggested yours a

quote:
philosophy of the perpetual journey - never to arrive at a destination

..in the sense of a destination being a final resting place. My question was whether this belief too was subject to evolution?

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If you enjoy playing silly word games then fine..

I do enjoy it - especially with you .

When is a destination not a destination? In jar-speak, it's when it's a point on the way to somewhere.


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jar
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Message 294 of 299 (598882)
01-03-2011 1:40 PM
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01-03-2011 1:37 PM


Re: dealing with stuff
And when is an answer a destination?

When someone decides to stop thinking.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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iano
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Message 295 of 299 (598885)
01-03-2011 2:16 PM
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01-03-2011 1:40 PM


Re: dealing with stuff
jar writes:

And when is an answer a destination? When someone decides to stop thinking.

Hence my suggesting your position "the philosophy of the perpetual journey - never to arrive at a (final) destination".

The question then was whether that belief too was subject to the claim that..

jar earlier writes:

Beliefs, like life, evolve over time.

.

Or is your belief about destinations set in stone?


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jar
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Message 296 of 299 (598887)
01-03-2011 2:25 PM
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01-03-2011 2:16 PM


what do answers and destinations have in common?
I have no idea even what you are asking so I will try yet again to see if I can figure it out.

Are you conflating answers and destinations?

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title


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Message 297 of 299 (598888)
01-03-2011 2:31 PM
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01-03-2011 2:25 PM


Re: what do answers and destinations have in common?
I have no idea even what you are asking so I will try yet again to see if I can figure it out.

I think he's just having some semantic fun...

Your "answer" of questioning answers, itself, should be questioned. So maybe your answer is wrong and there are some answers that should not be questioned.


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jar
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Message 298 of 299 (598893)
01-03-2011 3:24 PM
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01-03-2011 2:31 PM


Re: what do answers and destinations have in common?
That's kinda why I asked back in Message 290 if he was just playing silly word games.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Message 299 of 299 (600782)
01-17-2011 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by ringo
01-03-2011 1:23 PM


Deconversion is no sin if done honestly.
jar writes:

As long as you keep looking for answers to question as opposed to answers to questions, all will be okay. Beliefs, like life, evolve over time.

Iano writes:

The philosophy of the perpetual journey - never to arrive at a destination.

Presumably this belief is subject to evolution?

Personally, I never had a problem with the idea that I was evolving intellectually. I respectfully believe, however, that I will never become like God or have no need of a God to worship.

jar writes:

What makes you think that there are no destinations?

I think that iano means Final Answers as opposed to destinations, but I could be wrong.

iano writes:

A destination, a terminus, an end-of-the-line ... is necessarily an answer to a question. You tell us not to look for answers to questions. Perhaps you didn't mean that but were encouraging that enquiry never cease (irrespective of the destination one might be enquiring about).

And I suppose that I may ask of the God whom I believe in whether He has any problem with me asking endless questions. After all, He knows my heart and my motivations. I can't fool Him. IMB.

jar writes:

I am saying one should continue to question all the answers.

Ringo writes:

When you arrive at "a" destination, the obvious question to ask yourself is, "Is this where I want to be?"

One thing that I believe for sure. The day I stop questioning, I shall truly be dead.


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