Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 78 (8896 total)
Current session began: 
Page Loaded: 03-22-2019 8:35 AM
36 online now:
Aussie, PaulK, Tangle (3 members, 33 visitors)
Chatting now:  Chat room empty
Newest Member: WookieeB
Post Volume:
Total: 848,541 Year: 3,578/19,786 Month: 573/1,087 Week: 163/212 Day: 5/25 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Diversity in this Forum
dan4reason
Junior Member (Idle past 2219 days)
Posts: 25
Joined: 01-03-2010


Message 1 of 13 (602101)
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


Hello, I am Dan and I am a new member. I am wondering how many Christians and creationists there are compared to evolutionists and agnostics and creationists in this forum.
Replies to this message:
 Message 2 by New Cat's Eye, posted 01-26-2011 11:33 AM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 3 by Panda, posted 01-26-2011 11:37 AM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 4 by Blue Jay, posted 01-26-2011 12:04 PM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 5 by slevesque, posted 01-26-2011 1:50 PM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 6 by Jon, posted 01-26-2011 2:38 PM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 7 by subbie, posted 01-26-2011 5:19 PM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 8 by AZPaul3, posted 01-26-2011 10:32 PM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 9 by bluescat48, posted 01-27-2011 12:38 AM dan4reason has not yet responded
 Message 13 by shadow71, posted 01-31-2011 8:04 PM dan4reason has not yet responded

    
New Cat's Eye
Inactive Member


Message 2 of 13 (602105)
01-26-2011 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


Hi Dan.

Most people accept the Theory of Evolution as the best explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. There's some that reject it, some that think its incomplete, and some that simply haven't been convinced yet.

There's only a handful of YEC's.

There's a good amount of christians, and a few more non-christian theists and deists and agnostics.

Most people are on the left side of the political spectrum.

All-in-all, its a pretty good variety.

I'm christian, I accept evolution, but I also think god created the universe. So what does that make me?

Also, does it matter? Why do you care?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

  
Panda
Member (Idle past 1789 days)
Posts: 2688
From: UK
Joined: 10-04-2010


Message 3 of 13 (602108)
01-26-2011 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


dan4reason writes:

I am wondering how many Christians and creationists there are compared to evolutionists and agnostics and creationists in this forum.


Hi Dan,

I think there is a very even distribution between creationists on one side and creationists on the other.

On a more serious note, your question is currently unanswerable, due to 2 reasons:
1) The people posting on this forum have not all declared their religious position.
2) There are far more people reading than posting. (e.g. currently 17 members, 29 visitors).


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

  
Blue Jay
Member (Idle past 774 days)
Posts: 2843
From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts
Joined: 02-04-2008


Message 4 of 13 (602116)
01-26-2011 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


Hi, Dan.

Welcome to EvC!

Generally speaking, you'll probably see a lot more evolutionist activity here than creationist, but we also have a handful of high-calibre creationist/IDist posters that are currently participating (Aaron, shadow71 and slevesque are the ones I'm thinking of).

I think the demographic is also canted toward the atheist side of the spectrum, but there are enough theists, deists and agnostics to keep it interesting.

I'm sure you'll find your niche here, whatever your views are. Jump on in!


-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

Darwin loves you.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

  
slevesque
Member (Idle past 2717 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 5 of 13 (602134)
01-26-2011 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


And I'll add that the admins keep a close watch on the discussion, and are always willing to listen if anyone feels they are being treated unfairly.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

  
Jon
Inactive Member


Message 6 of 13 (602139)
01-26-2011 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


A Brief Introduction
Hello Dan! Welcome to the forum.

I am wondering how many Christians and creationists there are compared to evolutionists and agnostics and creationists in this forum.

I don't think you'll at all find these categories completely exclusive. We've several members here who are Christians that also accept the theory of evolution.

Myself, I am a Theist, meaning I believe in the existence of GOD. I am also an Empiricist, and a Rationalist, with a large dose of Skepticism thrown in.

Jon

Edited by Jon, : conventions


Check out Apollo's Temple!
Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

  
subbie
Member (Idle past 36 days)
Posts: 3508
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 7 of 13 (602192)
01-26-2011 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


Greetings, Dan. Science groupie and atheist here.

I'm curious about why you mentioned the specific groups that you did. Do you think it contradictory for someone to be a Christian and an "evolutionist?" If so, why? Also, do you think "evolutionists" are somehow different from what most people would simply call a scientist? If so, why?

I hope you enjoy your time here.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

  
AZPaul3
Member
Posts: 3809
From: Phoenix
Joined: 11-06-2006
Member Rating: 2.9


Message 8 of 13 (602233)
01-26-2011 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


Dan's Here.
Hey, Dan,

Welcome to EvC. Pull up a topic and have a seat.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

  
bluescat48
Member (Idle past 2266 days)
Posts: 2347
From: United States
Joined: 10-06-2007


Message 9 of 13 (602251)
01-27-2011 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


Hi Dan. Question? What does it matter what the make up of the members here are? From what I can see there is everything from Fundamentalist to Atheist from hard core Creationist to Hard-core Evolutionist. Just your run of the mill party crowd.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 10 by Bolder-dash, posted 01-27-2011 1:43 AM bluescat48 has not yet responded

    
Bolder-dash
Member (Idle past 1706 days)
Posts: 983
From: China
Joined: 11-14-2009


Message 10 of 13 (602257)
01-27-2011 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by bluescat48
01-27-2011 12:38 AM


why it matters
Well, it might matter to him to know if there is much of a balanced viewpoint here. Which, of course, the answer to that is absolutely not.

As one pointed out, there are less than 5 regular contributors who don't believe in evolution, and it is really more like just 2, sleevesque and shadow71, who write very much (and it should be pointed out that their style is very mild and un-confrontational- an important distinction compared to the styles of many of the evolutionists here).

At some points there were more people who were willing to challenge and debate some of these hard core evolutionists, but most of those posters (including myself) have simply grown tired of the unequal treatment in moderation, and the continuation of ad hoc nonsense that one has to put up with here to bother contributing any further. Arguments from non-evolutionists are derailed by silly name calling and by gross false semantic objections that destroy the communication process. So to be honest, to answer your question, the amount of diversity is extremely low.

Note: I suspect that I will be told this answer is off-topic, when in fact it is completely on topic, but this is what often happens to opposing viewpoints, and probably the greatest reason why there is little diversity.

Edited by Bolder-dash, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 9 by bluescat48, posted 01-27-2011 12:38 AM bluescat48 has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 11 by Dr Adequate, posted 01-27-2011 4:59 AM Bolder-dash has not yet responded
 Message 12 by Percy, posted 01-27-2011 7:37 AM Bolder-dash has not yet responded

  
Dr Adequate
Member
Posts: 16085
Joined: 07-20-2006
Member Rating: 10.0


(2)
Message 11 of 13 (602266)
01-27-2011 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Bolder-dash
01-27-2011 1:43 AM


Re: why it matters
Well, it might matter to him to know if there is much of a balanced viewpoint here. Which, of course, the answer to that is absolutely not.

As one pointed out, there are less than 5 regular contributors who don't believe in evolution, and it is really more like just 2, sleevesque and shadow71, who write very much (and it should be pointed out that their style is very mild and un-confrontational- an important distinction compared to the styles of many of the evolutionists here).

At some points there were more people who were willing to challenge and debate some of these hard core evolutionists, but most of those posters (including myself) have simply grown tired of the unequal treatment in moderation, and the continuation of ad hoc nonsense that one has to put up with here to bother contributing any further. Arguments from non-evolutionists are derailed by silly name calling and by gross false semantic objections that destroy the communication process. So to be honest, to answer your question, the amount of diversity is extremely low.

Note: I suspect that I will be told this answer is off-topic, when in fact it is completely on topic, but this is what often happens to opposing viewpoints, and probably the greatest reason why there is little diversity.

You yourself, you know, have the option of making frequent posts of substance rather than dropping in at random lengthy intervals to contribute your usual childish whining about the people who disagree with you.

Or at least in principle you have that option. It is not equally clear that you have the capacity.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 10 by Bolder-dash, posted 01-27-2011 1:43 AM Bolder-dash has not yet responded

  
Percy
Member
Posts: 18309
From: New Hampshire
Joined: 12-23-2000
Member Rating: 2.7


Message 12 of 13 (602274)
01-27-2011 7:37 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Bolder-dash
01-27-2011 1:43 AM


Re: why it matters
Bolder-dash writes:

Note: I suspect that I will be told this answer is off-topic, when in fact it is completely on topic, but this is what often happens to opposing viewpoints, and probably the greatest reason why there is little diversity.

Why would anyone tell you your answer is off-topic? I think you should be congratulated for finally finding an appropriate thread for the complaints that you repeatedly make in all other threads where they're not on-topic.

By the way, in case Dan would like an example of your own behavior in order to judge just how much weight to grant your criticisms, here's an example of the standards you set for discussion, taken from your Message 622 over in the Potential falsifications of the theory of evolution thread:

Bolderdash writes:

Just hold on a minute there mobilogirl. Your post is just a bit too pretentious and downright hypocritical to let it stand.

Thanks for setting a good example!

--Percy


This message is a reply to:
 Message 10 by Bolder-dash, posted 01-27-2011 1:43 AM Bolder-dash has not yet responded

    
shadow71
Member (Idle past 1010 days)
Posts: 706
From: Joliet, il, USA
Joined: 08-31-2010


Message 13 of 13 (602798)
01-31-2011 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dan4reason
01-26-2011 10:54 AM


Hi Dan,

Hello, I am Dan and I am a new member. I am wondering how many Christians and creationists there are compared to evolutionists and agnostics and creationists in this forum.

Welcome to the board. I don't think you can put christians and evolutionists in separate camps automatically.

I believe in evolution, but I also believe that the theory as per Darwin, neo-Darwianian and modern current Darwinian advocates is not complete and there is much room for modifications adjustments and improvements to the theory.

I am Roman Catholic and believe the Catholic Theological position fits in with evolution and Christianity.

I have problems with "random mutation" as an explanation of evolution and "natural" selection.

Don't know your postion on evolution, but a good read is James A. Shapiro, Univ. Chicago, for a theory that I belive is the one for the future.

It is a very interesting group of people, more scientists than non, but, I have found as a lay man, that, most, are usually willing to explain the science in a really logical and concrete way w/o being condescending.
Note I said Most.

A suggestion is that you read and be well versed on the subject you post on and be ready to defend your point of view.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by dan4reason, posted 01-26-2011 10:54 AM dan4reason has not yet responded

    
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2019