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Author Topic:   New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution.
zi ko
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Message 46 of 433 (602242)
01-27-2011 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Blue Jay
01-26-2011 3:25 PM


Re: Check your premise
Bluejay writes:
Hi, Zi Ko.
zi ko writes:
Mother antilopewill feel this need. Next offspring will have to be faster.
Bluejay writes:
Given this, we would predict that younger siblings will be fitter than their older siblings...
I mean hundreds or thousands generations later.
我有一點困惑。
HoThe mother will feel the need for faster offspring, and this feeling will translate through the rest of her progeny until, hundreds or thousands of generations later, it makes the next offspring faster?
What is your mechanism for the inheritance of these empathic states? w does what the mother feels upon seeing her offspring killed translate into evolution many generations later?
"Mother's knowledge enhanced during next generations through experience and natural selection makes her neural system to give signals to DNA level structures to make apropriate preparations up to final change. Any random mutations which accelerate evolving through natural selection is used to the final goal"

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zi ko
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Message 47 of 433 (602246)
01-27-2011 12:20 AM
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01-26-2011 3:55 PM


Re: Check your premise
Taq writes:
Neural system mostly gives general directions.
What are these general directions, how are they communicated, and what are they communicated to?
" Offsprings to be fitter.Through neurons.To DNA.

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zi ko
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Message 48 of 433 (602255)
01-27-2011 1:22 AM
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01-26-2011 5:35 AM


Re: Mechanism?
Evolution is result of interaction between organisms and enviroment.This means communication and knowing. Reaction presupposes knowing.
Collective subconscious it i rather a matter of belief.Anyway it fits with empathy.

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zi ko
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Message 49 of 433 (602256)
01-27-2011 1:35 AM
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01-26-2011 2:12 PM


In general I agree.I should say I don't know. There is so much we don't know.

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Message 50 of 433 (602258)
01-27-2011 1:52 AM
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01-26-2011 4:59 PM


In general i agree. i can't give clear answers.I should say just i don't know.From a point and then you have to choose between different beliefs.Our effort is to make our chosen one more logically accepted by ourselves.

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zi ko
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Message 51 of 433 (602260)
01-27-2011 2:09 AM
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01-26-2011 8:24 AM


Re: Check your premise
what is instict, if not unconscious accumulated knowledge which had led to reflective action?Octapus has not been always color blind, if it does matter at all,

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Larni
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Message 52 of 433 (602276)
01-27-2011 8:02 AM
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01-27-2011 1:22 AM


Re: Mechanism?
Please show how knowing and communication is required for evolution to take place. If you can't your hypothesis (it's not theory) is invalid.

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zi ko
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Message 53 of 433 (602279)
01-27-2011 9:21 AM
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01-27-2011 8:02 AM


Re: Mechanism?
You ask me me to explain the self evident.It couldn't be done otherwise.
I coluld name it hypothetical theory.

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Message 54 of 433 (602280)
01-27-2011 9:30 AM
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01-27-2011 1:52 AM


In general i agree. i can't give clear answers.I should say just i don't know.
Indeed.
From a point and then you have to choose between different beliefs.
I don't think so. I didn't choose to believe in evolution. I was involuntarily convinced by the evidence. Actually, I wouldn't even say that I "believe in" evolution. It is simply a fact that I don't reject. And the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of the fact that we see.
Our effort is to make our chosen one more logically accepted by ourselves.
That should be a red flag... that, one, you've had to choose this belief, and two, you have to make it more accepted to yourself. Just let the evidence speak for itself and stop making stuff up.
Disregarding evidence and instead imagining things and going: "maybe this happened, maybe it was that way" isn't doing very much of anything. You'd be doing just as much wondering how The Force has guided evolution.

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Blue Jay
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Message 55 of 433 (602282)
01-27-2011 10:02 AM
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01-27-2011 12:09 AM


Re: Check your premise
Hi, Zi Ko.
zi ko/Bluejay writes:
HoThe mother will feel the need for faster offspring
Were you trying to add something in there (the "Ho" isn't mine)? It got cut off.
Also, are you replying with the "rquote" button or the "reply" button? If you click the "peek" button, you can see how I made separate quote boxes for each quote.
It's easy:
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zi ko writes:
Mother's knowledge enhanced during next generations through experience and natural selection makes her neural system to give signals to DNA level structures to make apropriate preparations up to final change.
Again, what is your mechanism?
How does the mother's knowledge get transferred to the next generation?
And, what signals does her nervous system send to "DNA-level structures."

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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zi ko
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Message 56 of 433 (602283)
01-27-2011 10:09 AM
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01-27-2011 9:30 AM


It isn't amatter of believing or not to evolution.Evolution is accepted by me as a fact.It is about on which rules does it runs.My theory tries to expand natural explanation to the logical point, after which my stand will be a matter of belief.

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Blue Jay
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Message 57 of 433 (602284)
01-27-2011 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by zi ko
01-27-2011 1:22 AM


Re: Mechanism?
Hi, Zi Ko.
zi ko writes:
Evolution is result of interaction between organisms and enviroment.This means communication and knowing. Reaction presupposes knowing.
"Reaction" is a poor way to view evolutionary change.
The changes (mutations) do not actually happen as a reaction to the environment: rather, changes happen, and the environment filters out the bad ones.
Natural selection acts after mutation. Because of this, mutation cannot really be a reaction to natural selection.
Think about the antelope example. There is variation in all species. A slow antelope is killed by the cheetah, and a fast antelope escapes.
The antelope was already slow or fast before the cheetah arrived.
The fast antelopes didn't become fast as a reaction to the cheetah: they survived because they were already fast.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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zi ko
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Message 58 of 433 (602286)
01-27-2011 10:23 AM
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01-27-2011 10:02 AM


Re: Check your premise
I can't answer about my mechanism. It is amatter of neuronal biology.

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Message 59 of 433 (602289)
01-27-2011 10:35 AM
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01-27-2011 1:22 AM


Re: Mechanism?
Evolution is result of interaction between organisms and enviroment.
Correct so far.
This means communication and knowing. Reaction presupposes knowing.
Absolutely false.
Evolution relies on selection pressure acting on populations.
In any given population some individuals reproduce more successfully, and some less so. This, looked at over long spans of time or many generations, adequately accounts for all the effects you are trying to explain.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Blue Jay
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Message 60 of 433 (602290)
01-27-2011 10:36 AM
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01-27-2011 10:23 AM


Re: Check your premise
Hi, Zi Ko.
zi ko writes:
I can't answer about my mechanism.
With our current understanding of science, there is no reason to think neurons can affect heredity, or that experience can be transferred from mother to offspring. In fact, there is good reason to think that this cannot happen.
So, you need a mechanism that could cause this to happen. Until you do, there is no reason why anybody should give any consideration to your hypothesis.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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