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Jon
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Message 31 of 194 (602425)
01-28-2011 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by celestialGyoud
01-28-2011 10:47 AM


Re: Distinction between human prototypes and ancestor
if the ancient people, in Europe, were all by themselves as the natural selection theory has proposed

What makes you think the theory of natural selection proposes any such thing?

It's understandable and it's clear now, the only possibility that the 55 ethnic groups in Europe came into existence, as linguistic ethnic groups, is that they were previously selected and settled in their respective land, (in their respective area in Europe)

What is a 'linguistic ethnic group'?

Now it's clear that if the 55 distinct ethnic groups had not been previously selected and settled in the land
and if their selection would have taken place all by themselves,

there wouldn't be ethnic groups in Europe; they would be one miscegenated people.

In fact, you still haven't made this clear—at all.

What makes you think there are only 55 ethnic groups in Europe? What makes you think these groups represent some pristine set of groups that has neither mixed nor changed since the dawn of time?

Jon


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Message 32 of 194 (602469)
01-28-2011 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by celestialGyoud
01-28-2011 10:47 AM


Your list is crap
I do not know where you got your list from, but any exclusion of the Basques, clearly shows the list is crap.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 33 of 194 (602477)
01-28-2011 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by celestialGyoud
01-28-2011 10:47 AM


Re: Distinction between human prototypes and ancestor
I don't know where you got your list, but it is pure crap. Why should diaspora change ethnicity? Your list doesn't follow any thread of what an ethnic group entails. How are Serbs, Croats & Slovenes different? How are Irish & Scotch different? Where are the Basques & Hungarians? How about Latvians & Lithuaneans?


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 34 of 194 (602494)
01-28-2011 4:20 PM
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01-28-2011 3:27 PM


Re: Distinction between human prototypes and ancestor
bluescat48 writes:

I don't know where you got your list, but it is pure crap.


Have you noticed that the names are listed alphabetically, except:

CD7 writes:

Lists of British people
Lists of Italians
Lists of Swedes


I think these were sub-headings which are now included as part of the 55.

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Message 35 of 194 (602510)
01-28-2011 4:51 PM
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01-28-2011 4:20 PM


This has the "List of"s in there

http://en.wikipedia.org/...ory:Europe_ethnic_group_templates

I don't know what points to these templates without the "Template" part in there but the list seems to be the same.


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Message 36 of 194 (602526)
01-28-2011 5:53 PM
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01-28-2011 4:51 PM


CS writes:

This has the "List of"s in there


Aaah. That's where it is from.
(I couldn't find it, but I was sure it was copied from somewhere.)

CS writes:

I don't know what points to these templates without the "Template" part in there but the list seems to be the same.


I can't find what uses that template either.
But if you look at the template, "List of ..." is clearly not meant to be an ethnic group.

Well, maybe CD7 will understand his mistake. *shrug*


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Message 37 of 194 (602536)
01-28-2011 6:21 PM
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01-28-2011 5:53 PM


From looking at the website it looks to me to be a source of ammunition for bigots.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 38 of 194 (602577)
01-28-2011 9:35 PM
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01-28-2011 6:21 PM


bluescat48 writes:

From looking at the website it looks to me to be a source of ammunition for bigots.


What, Wikipedia?
If the information is incomplete, then you are allowed to add to it.

But the incompleteness of the information is not a good enough excuse for flawed arguments based on ignorance.
If bigots want to use it to bolster their arguments, then they should expect to be wrong.


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Message 39 of 194 (602582)
01-28-2011 10:25 PM
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01-28-2011 9:35 PM


When are bigots ever right?


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


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Message 40 of 194 (602589)
01-29-2011 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by bluescat48
01-28-2011 10:25 PM


edited

Edited by Taz, : No reason given.


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Message 41 of 194 (602590)
01-29-2011 3:12 AM
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01-29-2011 1:44 AM


Taz
I havent seen you in like forever

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Message 42 of 194 (602594)
01-29-2011 4:59 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Buzsaw
01-26-2011 12:36 AM


Re: Henry Morris On Global Population Problem
ABE: Assuming the Noahic flood, the world's population roughly 2500 years ago would have been eight.

Um mm 2500 years ago 500 years before Christ. my guess is you mistyped cause the growth would have to be much higher to produce our population today

However, the average rate would only have to be one half of one per cent per year to produce the present world population in 4,300 years.

ok using your time line of 4300 years ago there would be 763600 people alive at the time of jesus christ or in 2300 years. Not even enough to fill one of the mayor cities back then like rome, egyipt ....

lets go further shall we. In the year 1800 the estimated number of people was one billion. Using one half of one percent on an annual growth of population the number of people in 1800 would be 13.5 billion

to get to a reasonably close number to our population 53674538.12
you have to use an annual growth of 1.0035 or 0.0035%

but then the numbers of people living in the year 0 or the time of Christ would be 24634.24 insanely too little.

using an average growth over this time scale where the actual growth of the population fluctuated way too much. Is not mathematical proof of anything why let me try to explain it to you

lets say we have an annual growth of 10% per year and we have 10 people to start with if everything goes alright we have 21 people in 10 years but lets say in year 5 half of them dies we have 10.6 people alive in year 10. so it is relatively impossible to use an average in this case because of wares famine, plagues .... and loads of other stuff that killed of tones of people at different times.

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Message 43 of 194 (602628)
01-29-2011 2:41 PM
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01-29-2011 4:59 AM


Re: Henry Morris On Global Population Problem
This part of the discussion was deemed off-topic because CD7 had made no actual reference to Morris' model nor to any specifically YEC claims. So Buz opened another topic, Is Global Population Evidence For Noahic Flood?. But it turns out that Buz' OP does not reflect what the topic was supposed to be about (or so he says after the fact), so it's now being threatened with being closed until he can get it straight.

Edited by dwise1, : corrected minor typo


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Message 44 of 194 (602749)
01-31-2011 1:55 PM
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01-24-2011 11:40 PM


Only stable families constitute a stable society
Taq writes:


This development starts quite slow, and is dependent on random inventions along the way to keep things moving.
..you need a stable society that requires thousands of years of developing cultivars

-

Wasps always had a perfect nervous system and a brain ready to do only what's best;
and it does not require a stable society; a single wasp builds a house with plenty food for the new one(s) to come,
and when the new wasp is ready it does not ask 'who has built this house; who prepared this meal for me?'

Even so, when Earth's population was 10,000 a single family did not require a stable society

In those days, from all ethnic groups in Europe, there was always (at least) 1,000 inhabitants or more who were stable enough to only do what is best for their children.

Many times people have gazed and lied, instead of wonder how much there is to know; there are other things to see along the open road; it isn't just evolution and/or creation.

quote:
Creationism and their scribes state that the Earth would have been made by a deity, a god or elohiym.

However,
In the re-editions that were made for the Hebrew bible and precisely in the first five books, evidences are found that whenever the generic term for deities, elohiym, appears in reference to the living Word, it appears in places where the texts were re-edited not by Mosheh but by the pen of the scribes.

Because Mosheh, when writing about his deeds, does not do it using the third person of the singular saying ‘he did’. The clues indicate that in the original manuscripts, written by the pen of Mosheh, he speaks about his deeds using the first person of the singular, ‘I did’.




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Message 45 of 194 (602911)
02-01-2011 4:32 PM
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01-31-2011 1:55 PM


Re: Only stable families constitute a stable society
Even so, when Earth's population was 10,000 a single family did not require a stable society

In those days, from all ethnic groups in Europe, there was always (at least) 1,000 inhabitants or more who were stable enough to only do what is best for their children.

So how did they innoculate their children against diptheria?


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