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Huntard Member (Idle past 2322 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Debris? What debris? You have never showed any debris. You've showed coral that you claim is debris. That's not debris. All you other "supportive" evidence has been dealt with as well.
We have the debris and all of the corroborating observable evidence that I have cited supportive to the Biblical account of the event. We deduce from that the knowledge of the erosive energy of a tsunami wash back from the walls of water.
If this is what happened you wouldn't have any debris left either. Do you have any idea how much force it would take to dig out a 700m deep trench in one go by water rushing over it?
We also have significant evidence for the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah such as the fulfilled prophecies, historical data and archeology, etc.
No you don't. Though you claim you do all the time.
The notable Josephus is an example of a non-Biblical historian who acknowledges the Biblical flood event happening some 2500 years before his time.
So? Has he got any evidence for that? Thought not.
Time and again I've cited these things. Yet to a person, you skeptics keep on keeping on harping that Buzsaw has never ever produced one iota of credible evidence for the Biblical record, the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah and particularly the Exodus event. Time and time again ye skeptics keep on demanding that Buzsaw produce some evidence, as you have here, but when I do, it is all simply waived off.
You could take this as a hint, and instead of complaining, produce some actual evidence.
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Dirk Member (Idle past 4051 days) Posts: 84 Joined: |
Hi Buzsaw,
Time and again I've cited these things. Yet to a person, you skeptics keep on keeping on harping that Buzsaw has never ever produced one iota of credible evidence for the Biblical record, the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah and particularly the Exodus event. Time and time again ye skeptics keep on demanding that Buzsaw produce some evidence, as you have here, but when I do, it is all simply waived off.
The fact that your "evidence" is refuted time and again should make you think. Did you ever consider (and are you willing to consider) the possibility that this happens because the exodus simply did not happen and there is no evidence?
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Even if you did have any evidence from the Nuweiba site available for testing, it's still in the wrong place. Nuweiba doesn't come close to fitting the Biblical account. We have the debris and all of the corroborating observable evidence that I have cited supportive to the Biblical account of the event. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: In other words you are back to claiming that you have strong evidence that the coral formations contain chariot wheels. When are you going to produce this evidence ? The "evidence" that you have produced has been rebutted and shown to be virtually worthless.
quote: That's begging the question. The starting point was your claim that Nuweiba was shallower than more northerly crossings, and therefore the Nuweiba site should be preferred. Now that has been shown to be utterly false you retreated to assuming that Nuweiba was shallow but deepened by this "tsunami" - with no evidence that such an event actually occurred there. Or any evidence that it would actually make a lot of difference (you'd need to remove hundreds of metres of rock - and I don't think that is on the cards at all).
quote: Buz, this IS your supposed archaeological evidence that we are discussing right here ! And your "fulfilled prophecies" always seem to involve misrepresenting the Bible. If you have any historical data that actually proves the existence of any sort of God you haven't shown that either.
quote: I don't know why you call Josephus a "non-Biblical historian". Josephus was a devout Jew and his endorsement of Biblical stories is not worth much. A historian is no better than his sources and his use of his sources. What sources did Josephus have for the Flood outside of the Bible and stories derived from the Bible ?
quote: It's not the skeptics fault that you can't be bothered to critically examine your own evidence. It's not the skeptics fault that you don't know (or apparently care) what the Bible says. It's not the skeptic's fault that you haven't got any evidence worth mentioning. So quit whining and try to do better.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
I want to know how Buz can claim underwater debris (chariot wheels) at Nuweiba and at the same time claim a tsunami deepened the channel. Wouldn't this supposed tsunami have also taken any chariot parts with it?
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Yes it could have taken them from Egypt proper to Nuweiba.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
bluescat48 writes: Though Mohammed gleaned distorted doctrines that suited his concocted up scripture, he never acknowledged the Biblical god, Jehovah.
Jehovah is not the Biblical god, not as Jehovah which is nothing but an English corruption of the German spelling of the Hebrew YHWH. The German spelling is Jahveh You can debate that with the linguists. The translators of nearly all English versions of the Bible used Jehovah. Somewhere in the archives there's a thread on that in case you want to go there. It's off topic here.
Nor did he ever acknowledge Jehovah's favor-ability to Jacob and his 12 tribe sons who became the patriarchs of Israel over Esau, the son of Abraham's handmade, Hagar, from whom Israel's enemies descended. Esau was Isaac's son and twin bother of Jacob, later called Israel. Hagar was Ismael's mother. And you claim to be a Bible Scholar? You're right. I should have reviewed what I said before posting. At 75 I plead, senior moment. Perhaps some day you'll be there and do that now and then. I've edited Message 215 for the correction. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dirk writes: Hi Buzsaw,
Time and again I've cited these things. Yet to a person, you skeptics keep on keeping on harping that Buzsaw has never ever produced one iota of credible evidence for the Biblical record, the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah and particularly the Exodus event. Time and time again ye skeptics keep on demanding that Buzsaw produce some evidence, as you have here, but when I do, it is all simply waived off.
The fact that your "evidence" is refuted time and again should make you think. Did you ever consider (and are you willing to consider) the possibility that this happens because the exodus simply did not happen and there is no evidence? LOL. I have cited more corroborating observable evidence for the acclaimed Biblical Exodus event than scientists have for the Big Bang singularity and multi-verse theory. It's a given. Folks who avoid accountability to a higher power will never acknowledge one whit of evidence supportive to such a power such as the Exodus evidence is. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Of course you have cited nothing of significance, while there is a great amount of significant evidence for the Big Bang (e.g. the microwave background and the Hubble redshift). And you've promised evidence that you still haven't delivered - evidence that was needed years ago. The fact is that your sources have been proven to be unreliable and untrustworthy. Their "evidence" is feeble, and they have to grossly twist and misrepresent Egyptian history to try to make it fit their beliefs. Frequently by pretending two (or more !) different people are the same person. And let us not forget Wyatt's dubious record, nor that Moller has made a gullible fool of himself by unhesitatingly believing Wyatt's nonsense.
quote: So in your world the only reason people tell the truth is to defy your God. Not exactly Biblical.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: Allah is the God of the Bible Buz, Jehovah is simply a mistaken translation from German. We've debated this in the thread, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread. over five years ago, Jar. I suggest that you go there and review that debate. If you have something new and profound there's where you can debate it with whoever cares to engage you 'til your heart's content. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: It's a given. Folks who avoid accountability to a higher power will never acknowledge one whit of evidence supportive to such a power such as the Exodus evidence is. I'm sorry Buz but once again you are simply making false claims. The fact is that there are Christians who do not avoid accountability to some higher power but still see that you have failed to provide any evidence. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Been there done that, in regard to Senior Moment.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: jar writes: Allah is the God of the Bible Buz, Jehovah is simply a mistaken translation from German. We've debated this in the thread, YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread. over five years ago, Jar. I suggest that you go there and review that debate. If you have something new and profound there's where you can debate it with whoever cares to engage you 'til your heart's content. No, all the information was presented to you there and it is all still valid. Jehovah is not the proper name of the God of the Bible. AbE: In addition, it is totally irrelevant to the topic. Muslims believe that Moshe is a major prophet and teh Exodus is covered in the Qur'an. The actuality of the Exodus story is NOT related to whether or not people feel accountable to a higher power. The Gulf of Aqaba does not meet the descriptions of the Bible and it is far too deep and steep for any crossing, either on foot or with chariots. There would be almost no wall of water to cause some tsunami and even if it did, it would NOT cause any damage to the Gulf Basin. The crossing you suggest is one of the shallow points, less than half as deep as the average. You have provided no evidence that there are any chariot wheels and even if there were, it would not add weight to the Exodus myth unless you could show a direct connection to the event. Edited by jar, : add summary data Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Since it doesn't appear you've seen it yet, I'm posting this message here to let you know I sent you a PM this morning.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Asgara writes: I want to know how Buz can claim underwater debris (chariot wheels) at Nuweiba and at the same time claim a tsunami deepened the channel. Wouldn't this supposed tsunami have also taken any chariot parts with it? Welcome to the fray, madam queen. Thanks for weighing in. I did allude to that some, alleging that some minimal amount of the vast amount of debris could remain visible relatively near the shore. I've also had to revise my position that the tsunami would not necessarily be from North to South. Rather it would come from both directions, causing significant erosion in the sand bar but feasibly leaving some evidence due to the swish-swash from both directions. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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