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ringo
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Message 346 of 352 (602161)
01-26-2011 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by Straggler
01-26-2011 3:23 PM


Re: Individual Situations - YES YES YES
Straggler writes:

And your point is what?


That consistency isn't always a good thing.


"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Message 347 of 352 (602443)
01-28-2011 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 346 by ringo
01-26-2011 3:51 PM


Re: Individual Situations - YES YES YES
Blind unthinking adherence to fixed absolutes is indeed as dangerous as baseless randomness. Fortunately I am advocating neither.

Most people consider Charles Manson to be guilty of immoral acts. It seems you do too. But in your case it is unclear if this is because you dont like the colour of his eyes, or because he was responsible for the death of a few humans or because he engaged in the ritualistic bleach based slaughter of billions of innocent bacteria in a vile procedure otherwise known as cleaning the toilet.


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Message 348 of 352 (602456)
01-28-2011 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 347 by Straggler
01-28-2011 12:30 PM


Re: Individual Situations - YES YES YES
Do you have any empathy for the strawmen that you're beating the stuffing out of?


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Straggler
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Message 349 of 352 (602607)
01-29-2011 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by ringo
01-28-2011 1:20 PM


Debate Hole
If you have any basis for your moral reasoning beyond arbitrary random whim regarding things like eye colour or toenail length - We have yet to see it in this thread.

It's all too easy to say what isn't your position - The difficult part is telling us what factors your moral decisions are based upon.

Feel free to do so anytime you are ready........

ringo writes:

Do you have any empathy for the strawmen that you're beating the stuffing out of?

If you are going to persist in your ridiculous position of removing all speciesistic distinctions and differences with regard to moral consideration then you are misrepresenting yourself.

ringo writes:

I support removing distinctions based on species.

But we all know that you no more believe in equal rights for bacteria (or even ants) than I do. We all know that you don't really think that breeding and raising fruit fly for genetic experiments rather than humans is a solely practical rather than moral decision. And we all hope that you wouldn't personally go round killing people if the legal consequences for doing so were removed.

The fact is you started off thinking you were debating some sort of moral absolutist and said some bloody silly things to prove your non-absolutist credentials in response. You dug a debate hole for yourself and now cannot get out of it.

Hence the evasive quips and refusal to answer direct questions. Ho hum.


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ringo
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Message 350 of 352 (602609)
01-29-2011 11:37 AM
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01-29-2011 11:18 AM


Re: Debate Hole
Straggler writes:

If you have any basis for your moral reasoning beyond arbitrary random whim regarding things like eye colour or toenail length - We have yet to see it in this thread.


We? Nobody's complaining but you.


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Message 351 of 352 (602612)
01-29-2011 11:51 AM
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01-29-2011 11:37 AM


Re: Debate Hole
Straggler writes:

Hence the evasive quips and refusal to answer direct questions.

ringo writes:

We? Nobody's complaining but you.

I rest my case.


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frako
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Message 352 of 352 (602645)
01-29-2011 7:31 PM
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01-29-2011 11:18 AM


Re: Debate Hole
But we all know that you no more believe in equal rights for bacteria (or even ants) than I do.

Well i doubt anyone wants equal rights tough animas should have rights that come in second place after human rights. Why second place well because we are at the top of the food chain, why any rights at all well because the more we respect our enviorment the more we respect ourselves.

And not all living things will ever have the same rights bacteria is our natural enemy lol well lots of them are so its good to kill them.

An ant walking arround in the woods has done nothing to you so why squash it or burn it with a lens. A small fine would be appropriate for such acts. An ant in your home has invaded your territory by all means kill it.

A mouse in the field has done nothing to you so leave it alone and let the cats handle it. A mouse in your house is a nother sottry i dont mind people that have thos neck snapping traps tough if i ever had any mice i would use the one that traps the mouse alive and then i would let it loose outside where my 7 cats and the mouse can have a game of eat or be eaten.

A mouse in the lab or other animal, benefits humanity though that still does not mean you should cause it pain for no reason unless experimental for our benifit tough luck for the mouse but we come first.

Then some animals should have better rights still second to human rights tough more enforced rights. Pets should have the right of a decent life food, play activities possibly a mate, a fitting enviorment. Animals that are breed for our food shoud have better rights too a decent life, decent enviorment and a fast and painless death. Any restrictions of those rights should be heavily fined.

Hunting should also be regulated in my country if an animal is shot and runs away all hunters track the animal so that it does not endure needles pain for too long. And we also keep track of how many of each forest animal there is so we know how many we can/haveto kill off so the population stays roughly the same.

Endangered animals should be protected and the killing of such an animal should be verry hevaly fined and some imprisonment time unless the death of that animal was nececerry for your survival. Say that a endangered tiger species attacked you or you find yourself on an island with only endangered snakes to eat......


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