Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?

Yes I read your response Buz and hopefully so did others. They can look at the evidence presented and make thier own judgments.The relevance of the other formations Buz is that the supposed Rock at Horeb is not unusual, there is no evidence of water flow and such formations are common even in the area.Again, present your best evidence, and others will also present evidence. The readers can then judge whether a case has been made.

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Exodus 14

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1 Then the LORD said to Moses, 2 Tell the Israelites to turn back and encamp near Pi Hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea. They are to encamp by the sea, directly opposite Baal Zephon. 3 Pharaoh will think, ‘The Israelites are wandering around the land in confusion, hemmed in by the desert.’ 4 And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD. So the Israelites did this.

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5 When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, Pharaoh and his officials changed their minds about them and said, What have we done? We have let the Israelites go and have lost their services! 6 So he had his chariot made ready and took his army with him. 7 He took six hundred of the best chariots, along with all the other chariots of Egypt, with officers over all of them. 8 The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly. 9 The Egyptiansall Pharaoh’s horses and chariots, horsemen and troops pursued the Israelites and overtook them as they camped by the sea near Pi Hahiroth, opposite Baal Zephon.

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But the point Buz is that it does not show a narrow area, a wadi or a valley. It does show an area where a host of chariots would be effective. It also shows that they are only there because god tells them to turn back and camp.Now there are areas that match the Biblical description as I pointed out way upthread and that is the area just at the southeastern shore of the Red Sea.As I have said, you present your best evidence, I and others will post what we see and think of it.The story of the trek in the fable begins in Chapter 13.

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Crossing the Sea
17 When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them on the road through the Philistine country, though that was shorter. For God said, If they face war, they might change their minds and return to Egypt. 18 So God led the people around by the desert road toward the Red Sea. The Israelites went up out of Egypt ready for battle.

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19 Moses took the bones of Joseph with him because Joseph had made the Israelites swear an oath. He had said, God will surely come to your aid, and then you must carry my bones up with you from this place.

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20 After leaving Sukkoth they camped at Etham on the edge of the desert. 21 By day the LORD went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night. 22 Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.

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So at the beginning of Chapter 14 they had just left Egypt going by way of the desert road. If you will look at a map of the area, they are traveling towards the Red Sea. They DO NOT take the road that is along the Mediterranean Sea.Your problem is to figure out how to get the folk to the so called Beach other than by magic.

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Plus, there are many very natural explanations for blackened mountain tops. One of the places I really enjoy visiting is Black Mountain. North Carolina. The mountain top does appear black, even though the rocks themselves are a light gray. The reason is a moss or lichen that grows on the rock.

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And as explained there are two issues here. First, from Aqaba south the main road WAS the water. The Gulf of Aqaba was a major transportation link.Second, there is still no evidence presented that Nuweiba Beach is in any way related to the Exodus myth.

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More utter nonsense Buz.The Exodus story IS included in the Qur'an. For example one part begins at 002:49,

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YUSUFALI: And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.

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YUSUFALI: And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight.

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Moses is a major Prophet of Islam.You tend to forget that Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same God.

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I'm sorry but do you have any evidence to support that? And do you also understand that most of the Gulf of Aqaba is even deeper then there, as deep as 1,850 meters deep?The actual profile of the Gulf of Aqaba is exactly opposite of what you suggest.Perhaps you are just making stuff up yet again?

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Allah is the God of the Bible Buz, Jehovah is simply a mistaken translation from German.The story is about how Allah saved the Jews, the People of the Book.If you like I will happily post more references to the Exodus in the Qur'an.Since the Exodus is recorded in the Qur'an your point is refuted.

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I'm sorry Buz but once again you are simply making false claims. The fact is that there are Christians who do not avoid accountability to some higher power but still see that you have failed to provide any evidence.

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No, all the information was presented to you there and it is all still valid.Jehovah is not the proper name of the God of the Bible.AbE:In addition, it is totally irrelevant to the topic. Muslims believe that Moshe is a major prophet and teh Exodus is covered in the Qur'an.The actuality of the Exodus story is NOT related to whether or not people feel accountable to a higher power.The Gulf of Aqaba does not meet the descriptions of the Bible and it is far too deep and steep for any crossing, either on foot or with chariots.There would be almost no wall of water to cause some tsunami and even if it did, it would NOT cause any damage to the Gulf Basin.The crossing you suggest is one of the shallow points, less than half as deep as the average.You have provided no evidence that there are any chariot wheels and even if there were, it would not add weight to the Exodus myth unless you could show a direct connection to the event.Edited by jar, : add summary data

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Well, let's look at what you have provided.There was a claim that there was an "altar of the Golden Calf". Pictures were presented that showed all the images on the rock and not only was there not a single image of a calf on the rock, the image that your source claimed showed an Egyptian influence of Calf Worship was shown to have been faked and doctored.There was a claim of a rock miraculously split and with a waterway. Pictures were presented to show that the rock is actually a very commonly found formation and that there was no sign of a waterway or water eroded rocks.There was a claim that the Bible story described the people being trapped in a Wadi. The actual passages from the Bible were quoted and there was no such reference. In fact the Bible passage would place the event far away from the Neubia site.You claimed that there was an underwater crossing at the Neubia site. Actual depths were presented that showed that the depth was actually far greater and far to steep to make a crossing even on foot, much less with chariots.You then claimed that dividing the waters would create a wall of water built up by the inflow from the Jordan. When it was pointed out to you that the Jordan does not flow into the Gulf of Aqaba and that the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba is open to the sea, you changed to some sloshing back and forth scenario.You claimed that Muslims would not investigate the Exodus because it supports a Jewish triumph over Egypt; you were shown that the Exodus is mentioned in the Qur'an and that Moses is a Muslim prophet and honored.You claimed that there is some blackened mountain top, but again, many examples were shown that show that is a common natural occurrence there and all over the world.You claim that there is some debris field but have presented zero evidence of that claim or any way that the claim could be definitely dated to some Exodus event.You claimed that the reason people are skeptical of the evidence is because they do not want to be accountable to a higher power. Again, you were shown that there are people who believe they are accountable to that higher power that do not believe the Exodus story is anything more than a myth.Finally, "corroborated" means supported by evidence. Where is the evidence?Is that a reasonable summary of your contributions to this thread?

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Welcome Home, glad you dropped by. Pull up a stump and set a spell.The Red Sea/Reed Sea issue has been discussed at length with Buz. It is not really a big issue though since neither the Gulf of Suez or the Gulf of Aqaba were called the Red Sea anyway.The big issue though is the actual topography of the area between the Gulf of Suez and the Mediterranean. If you go look at Google Earth for that area you will find a series of depressions, some full time lakes, others flooded during rains. Any of those could well be the Sea of Reeds, or any other body of water where reeds (think Papyrus) could be gathered.Where you don't find reeds though are in deep water or areas that rapidly deepen.

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Buz, the audience can see the images and the evidence, except of course yours. Edited by jar, : Add images

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First, we know for a fact that Ron Wyatt played fast and loose with the evidence freely falsifying evidence to support his absurd ideas.Second, if they were in Iraq after crossing the Sea of Reads it most certainly was NOT either the Gulf of Aqaba or the Gulf of Suez.Buz you just keep on posting total nonsense.

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Let me try to help you Buz.The mention of the port on the Red Sea in Kings 9:26 adds no weight to the mention of the Sea of Reeds in the Exodus myth. Beyond the fact that both Moses and Solomon were likely fictitious characters in stories, you cannot use the passage in Kings 9:26 to support the Exodus in any way.It might support the fact that the Gulf of Aqaba was once called the Sea of Reeds, but it does not support the Exodus myth any more than the existence of the city of Jerusalem supports the existence of Solomon or of his temple.You have presented no evidence that there ever was a sand bar a Nuweiba, so that is just pure bullshit so far.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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And "Midian" included both the Arabian and Suez peninsula, remember, your very own link supported that.Edited by jar, : point out that HIS link refutes HIS position.

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