Abortion questions...?

Well, are there alternatives or are there not ? I mean, throughout this thread people have been saying that the right to abortion is required or else the woman will either ilegally abort so they don't get stuck with a child they can't feed, or will get stuck with a child they can't feed.

Sorry subbie I skipped your post without seeing it.Of course I am in favor for educating children on sex. But this needs to be done in the right way.Because I think the reasoning abotu sexual education is a bit flawed. As a society, we teach someone something when we judge that he is ready to do the thing. We teach you how to drive at 16, when we judge you are ready to actually drive. We don't teach you to drive at 12 in case you steal your parents car, well at least you'll know how the steering wheel works. We do this for pretty much everything in society.But oddly, we don't think the same thing about sex. We teach them how to do it at an age we all know they are not ready to do it, but we teach them anyways ''just in case they do it''. This is the opposite of every other area of life.

Why do you think they're not "ready to do it", when a substantial number (if indeed not a majority) are "doing it"? Are they post-puberty or not? It wasn't all that long ago that 15-year-olds were getting legally married. Having sex is something they're perfectly capable of, and frequently completely ready to do. If they have the capacity, knowledge, and foresight to use birth control - and the majority of sexually-active teens do - there's really no basis to conclude that they're not "ready" for sexual activity. Most of your perspective is just sexual panic and typical adult patronization of teenagers, IMO.

When is the best time to teach kids about gun safety? Before or after they have been hunting every weekend with their friends? Or do we tell them that the best way to hunt safely is not to hunt at all?

It's not a hypothetical situation. It was the reality prior to Roe v. Wade. Even in ancient Rome there were apothecaries that sold potions that were supposed to cause miscarriages. I believe there was even mention of such potions in the Bible, but I could be wrong about that.And it goes beyond the ability to feed a child. Young single mothers are at a serious disadvantage compared to their childless peers. On top of that, they are ostracized and socially stigmatized, especially by the conservative portion of the population that is also stridently pro-life. Do you really think that the only reason women seek abortions is that they are a little low on cash?

you teach gun safety when you judge he is ready to use a gun.Certainly, you don't let your children go hunting when you don't think he is ready

Hey, I'm just 21. No adult patronization here.At what age do they teach sexual education in the US ?Because I learnt it in 6th grade. Which is too early in my opinion. In my final 6th grade year, after they taught sex.ed. (which was around march), many girls in my class were losing their virginity with high school guys. What age are you in 6th grade, like 11-12 I think ?I'm all for sex.ed. at around 15-16 personnally.

The problem with your idea is that many children of 11-12 are already into puberty. There would be even more sexual encounters without sex ed. One doesn't normally learn how, for the first time, in sex ed. Most 11-12 year olds already know how.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Being into puberty does not mean someone is ready to have sexual intercourse. Unless you believe otherwise. I didn't know at that age. As I said, from my personal experience, sex.ed at that age seemed to pretty directly cause the first sexual experiences for those in my class, particularly the girls, since we learned it in march and it was after that that we started hearing that such and such a girl in our class had slept with a high schooler.As I said, sexual education is the sole thing that we teach before we think they are ready to actually do it. We teach people how to drive when we feel they are ready to drive, we teach them how to use a gun when we feel they are ready to use a gun, we teach them how to use a drill when we think they are ready to use a drill, etc. etc.We don't teach them before that, just in case they steal a car, or they stumble upon a gun. What's different about sexuality ? What is wrong in teaching them at the age we judge they are ready to ? Obviously, if you think that age is 12, then I understand why you are for sex.ed at that age.Besides, it's a bit like a vicious circle. Who tells the 5th graders how it works ? The 6th graders. And if we start teaching it to the 5th graders, they'll start telling it to 4th graders.Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

When you think they are ready and when they start firing weapons may not be the same. That's the point.

Yes I know that's the point. But why does this logic strictly apply to sex ? Why does in every other aspect of life, we view it as better to teach them something when they are ready ?We're not teaching our kids to drive at 13 years old, even if some do steal their parent's car at that age. Why don't we teach them, ''just in case they steal the car'' ?Certainly, you don't teach you son to fire a gun at 10 years old, just in case he stumbles upon it. You teach him at whatever age you feel he is ready, and only at that age do you also let him go hunting with his friends, after you have showed him how to shoot.Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

Then you and your class must live in some kind of isolation bubble!! Did you and your peers live apart from TV, girls magazines, pornography, older siblings, older friends, etc, etc. And you lay the blame on sex-ed???? It does seem rather obvious that you grew up in a Christian household...

My point is that those who are into puberty need to to know the consequences of their actions. There was no sex ed when I was in school and there were several pubescent girls in my 5th grade class who had already lost their virginity. Relying on the old wives tales that a girl can't get pregnant the first time or that they can't get pregnant standing up. That is what I mean by sex ed is needed in the 5th/6th grade to help prevent such nonsense.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

I'm not saying the others didn't know what sex was or how it was done before sex.ed.What I'm really thinking is that there may be a real causal link between teaching a child how to do something, and after that him linking it with therefore he is ready to do it, either consciously or sub-consciously.I guess this could be a research hypothesis for someone in psychology.

Do you at least agree that "abstinence only" sex-ed (whenever it is given) is bad?