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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz, there is no nation of Arabia, never has been. At the time the mythological Exodus happened all of Canaan, the Sinai, both sides of the Gulf of Aqaba were Egyptian territory.
From Wiki. But that is still irrelevant to calling the area Arabia. Arabia is a geographic term just as Africa would be, not a nationality. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: Buz, there is no nation of Arabia, never has been. At the time the mythological Exodus happened all of Canaan, the Sinai, both sides of the Gulf of Aqaba were Egyptian territory.
From Wiki. But that is still irrelevant to calling the area Arabia. Arabia is a geographic term just as Africa would be, not a nationality. The map does not show that Canaan and Syria etc were Egyptian, just because the colors imply that. They were separate and indigenous Kingdoms from Egypt. I understand that Arabia was then not a nation. You did not address my question. When did Sinai become a province of Arabia? All of this carries a relatively small role in the Nuweiba hypothesis, in that there is plenty of other corroborated evidence to support the Nuweiba Exodus event. Bottom line in all that has been debated in this and other Exodus threads: Nobody can henceforth truthfully allege that Buzsaw has cited no supportive I say supportive evidence for the Biblical Exodus. That is not to say that all should be expected to acknowledge that supportive evidence. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: jar writes: Buz, there is no nation of Arabia, never has been. At the time the mythological Exodus happened all of Canaan, the Sinai, both sides of the Gulf of Aqaba were Egyptian territory.
From Wiki. But that is still irrelevant to calling the area Arabia. Arabia is a geographic term just as Africa would be, not a nationality. The map does not show that Canaan and Syria etc were Egyptian, just because the colors imply that. They were separate and indigenous Kingdoms from Egypt. I understand that Arabia was then not a nation. You did not address my question. When did Sinai become a province of Arabia? All of this carries a relatively small role in the Nuweiba hypothesis, in that there is plenty of other corroborated evidence to support the Nuweiba Exodus event. Bottom line in all that has been debated in this and other Exodus threads: Nobody can henceforth truthfully allege that Buzsaw has cited no supportive I say supportive evidence for the Biblical Exodus. That is not to say that all should be expected to acknowledge that supportive evidence. Sinai has NEVER been a province of Arabia. There has never been a nation of Arabia. Sinai has always been a geographic part of Arabia. And of course we can claim that Buz has never presented any evidence that the Exodus ever happened that has not been soundly refuted. Edited by jar, : finish last sentence Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
quote: There is no such question since nobody is asserting that Sinai ever became a province of Arabia. Rather it was consider a part of the geographical region of Arabia which was not a nation. However, Wikipedia indicates that the Persian Satrapy of Arabia corresponded to Arabia Petraea according to the link that you have already been provided with.
Achaemenid Arabia corresponded to the lands between Egypt and Mesopotamia, known as Arabia Petraea.
This map shows Sinai as part of Arabia in 500 BC.
This map, showing the Empire as it was in the time of Alexander, fails to give precise boundaries, but it is consistent with all the information we have.
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ringo Member (Idle past 668 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
If you want to make that claim, you have to address the rebuttals. So far, all you've done is ignore the sound reasons for rejecting your claims. Nobody can henceforth truthfully allege that Buzsaw has cited no supportive I say supportive evidence for the Biblical Exodus. Let's try again: Why would the children of Israel travel hundreds of miles out of their way to trap Pharaoh? Why would Moses travel to the far side of Aqaba to escape Egyptian justice? Geographically, Nuweiba makes no sense.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Bottom line in all that has been debated in this and other Exodus threads: Nobody can henceforth truthfully allege that Buzsaw has cited no supportive I say supportive evidence for the Biblical Exodus. I don't think so, because you did it wrong. Message 283 Reading the Exodus, interpreting the story, guessing at the location, and then finding a wheel... The wheel is not supportive evidence that the Exodus happened. Its a post-hoc rationalization of something neat that you found. If you're not eliminating other possibilities for the wheel then you're not supporting anything.
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: Bottom line in all that has been debated in this and other Exodus threads: Nobody can henceforth truthfully allege that Buzsaw has cited no supportive I say supportive evidence for the Biblical Exodus. I don't think so, because you did it wrong. Message 283 Reading the Exodus, interpreting the story, guessing at the location, and then finding a wheel... The wheel is not supportive evidence that the Exodus happened. Its a post-hoc rationalization of something neat that you found. If you're not eliminating other possibilities for the wheel then you're not supporting anything. If, and it is a really big if, the wheel actually even exists. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 991 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
If, and it is a really big if, the wheel actually even exists. You doubt the word of a Julliard-trained anaesthisist!!??? [/channeling Kramer]
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Coragyps writes: If, and it is a really big if, the wheel actually even exists. You doubt the word of a Julliard-trained anaesthisist!!??? [/channeling Kramer] Me doubt someone that has been shown to fake and create data and ignore and suppress any evidence that refutes his assertions and fantasies? Heaven forefend!!!!!!! Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17919 Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
See this thread "Chariot Wheels" In the Red Sea
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jar Member (Idle past 95 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ah yes, "THAT" wheel. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Catholic Scientist writes: Bottom line in all that has been debated in this and other Exodus threads: Nobody can henceforth truthfully allege that Buzsaw has cited no supportive I say supportive evidence for the Biblical Exodus. I don't think so, because you did it wrong. Message 283 Reading the Exodus, interpreting the story, guessing at the location, and then finding a wheel... The wheel is not supportive evidence that the Exodus happened. Its a post-hoc rationalization of something neat that you found. If you're not eliminating other possibilities for the wheel then you're not supporting anything. It's not the wheel. It's wheel and axle formS encased with coral. These forms are lying on an underwater field which is fairly void of much else such as rocks, etc. There is one which is notable in that it appears to be an upright axle with a wheel shaped form. The form resembles a pedestal table. This, corroborated by so much other evidence descriptive of the flood account is significant supportive scientific evidence of the Exodus event as described in the Biblical record. Imo, this makes every bit as much sense as some of the evidences scientists rely upon for some of their hypotheses and theories. It makes more sense than some of the people or animals which they construct from jaws or skulls etc. Edited by Buzsaw, : Overlooked spelling BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Catholic Scientist writes: A hypothesis based on the observation of a phenomenon, i.e. evidence. In this case, the phenomenon is the Biblical Exodus account of an unusual event. The scientific method is being applied to falsify the Biblical record. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Yes! Thank you Paul. And if you need a good look at the debris, take five minutes or so and watch Lennart Mollart's claimed evidence. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2362 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The scientific method is being applied to falsify the Biblical record. So? What's wrong with that. You want a special exemption or something? The scientific method has already falsified the flood story. Even my own personal archaeological research has done that--it's so easy almost anyone can do it now! Any religious belief that can't stand up to scrutiny isn't worth much to start with, eh? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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