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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Coyote writes: The scientific method is being applied to falsify the Biblical record. So? What's wrong with that. You want a special exemption or something? The scientific method has already falsified the flood story. Even my own personal archaeological research has done that--it's so easy almost anyone can do it now! Any religious belief that can't stand up to scrutiny isn't worth much to start with, eh? Fair enough, Coyote. We're scrutinizing the Exodus here in this thread. How does the scientific method falsify the Exodus? The Exodus evidence corroborates the reliability of the Biblical record which alleges that Noah's flood happened. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
That video is a waste of time. All it shows is a recreation of what Moller expected to find. And if you need a good look at the debris, take five minutes or so and watch Lennart Mollart's claimed evidence. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ringo writes: Buzsaw writes:
That video is a waste of time. All it shows is a recreation of what Moller expected to find. And if you need a good look at the debris, take five minutes or so and watch Lennart Mollart's claimed evidence. You're not making a lot of sense, Ringo. I'm sure he was aware of the pioneer work that had been done by Wyatt, Fassold and others. He did fully expect to find evidence there. Did your eyes and mind hone in on that phenomenal, in tact, axle and wheel table like form in the video? If so, tell the folks why or why not it appeared to be in the shape of an axle and wheels. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: ringo writes: Buzsaw writes:
That video is a waste of time. All it shows is a recreation of what Moller expected to find. And if you need a good look at the debris, take five minutes or so and watch Lennart Mollart's claimed evidence. You're not making a lot of sense, Ringo. I'm sure he was aware of the pioneer work that had been done by Wyatt, Fassold and others. He did fully expect to find evidence there. Did your eyes and mind hone in on that phenomenal, in tact, axle and wheel table like form in the video? If so, tell the folks why or why not it appeared to be in the shape of an axle and wheels. It's called anvil and table coral Buz, quite common.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The Exodus evidence corroborates the reliability of the Biblical record which alleges that Noah's flood happened. That's the problem right there! The exodus evidence so far is not convincing to anyone who is not already a true believer. On its own it is less than flimsy, while being contradicted by a lot of other evidence. That is nothing with which to support the idea of a global flood ca. 4,350 years ago. And the idea of a global flood ca. 4,350 years ago has been thoroughly falsified, starting just about 200 years ago. You can't use one of these to bolster the case for the other. You need real evidence if you are going to get anywhere. And from what I know of archaeology and how it works, I don't think the evidence is there. If it was we would all be able to find it in the peer-reviewed literature. You would be able to find it in reputable journals and provide us citations and links and we would be able to see the actual evidence as described and interpreted by professional archaeologists. So far that evidence is not there. As an aside: you'd be amazed at what archaeologists can do with the tools provided to us by the various physical sciences. Metal can be analyzed and compared to known specimens. That might give approximate age and origin. Pollen and other floral remains can be analyzed and that can give some indication of climate and physiographic setting. Plant and animal proteins can be extracted from stones and analyzed! And that's just a start. If a real archaeologist was working on this exodus project, and had materials to analyze, you'd have data of some kind to work with. Just grainy pictures that might be any of several things is not legitimate evidence. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Did your eyes and mind fail to notice the label that said "Re-creation" at about 8:20?
Did your eyes and mind hone in on that phenomenal, in tact, axle and wheel table like form in the video? Buzsaw writes:
Because it was drawn to look that way. If so, tell the folks why or why not it appeared to be in the shape of an axle and wheels. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Admin Director Posts: 13040 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Buzsaw writes: It's not the wheel. It's wheel and axle formS encased with coral. These forms are lying on an underwater field which is fairly void of much else such as rocks, etc. There is one which is notable in that it appears to be an upright axle with a wheel shaped form. The form resembles a pedestal table. Could you please provide the following information about the chariot wheel:
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Admin writes: Buzsaw writes: It's not the wheel. It's wheel and axle formS encased with coral. These forms are lying on an underwater field which is fairly void of much else such as rocks, etc. There is one which is notable in that it appears to be an upright axle with a wheel shaped form. The form resembles a pedestal table. Could you please provide the following information about the chariot wheel:
Did you view the short clip which I linked? It shows photography of the various wheel shaped coral forms, the most notable table shaped one in particular. I do not have the other information. As I understand the scientific method, some would involve lab work and other not, depending on what one is doing. As Lennart Mollar explained, likely what is left after thousands of years is the coral forms. To break into those might destroy them. I'm not sure what could be lab analyzed and what the legality would be to remove them. I believe Ron Wyatt claims to have removed a wheel. He says he lost it, but I surmise that that was to keep off the legal hot seat, if indeed he did remove it. The researched corroborating visible evidence, I see as part of thescientific method. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ringo writes: Buzsaw writes:
Did your eyes and mind fail to notice the label that said "Re-creation" at about 8:20?
Did your eyes and mind hone in on that phenomenal, in tact, axle and wheel table like form in the video? Buzsaw writes:
Because it was drawn to look that way. If so, tell the folks why or why not it appeared to be in the shape of an axle and wheels. You're scraping the bottom, Ringo. Anyone can see the recreated enhancement is deliberate so as to help visualize what formed the coral formations. These sort of silly responses hardly warrant an answer. Don't expect a response from some of them. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
The point is that there is nothing but the enhancement. There is no indication that Moller actually found anything inside the coral formation. There is nothing in that video except a flight of fancy. Anyone can see the recreated enhancement is deliberate so as to help visualize what formed the coral formations. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
One point, even if it is a wheel, why would it show that it was from a chariot from Pharoah's Army? It could have easily belonged to someone else's chariot, that came off and the driver, so incensed, threw the thing in the sea.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Buzz, how about considering my Message 350?
You don't get to ignore posts that you don't like, and just pretend they aren't there. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Anyone can see that the "enhancement" shows what Moller and Wyatt SAY formed it. We've yet to see much in the way of evidence that they are correct. Pointing out that fact is hardly "scraping the bottom" The video shows almost nothing, just more of the same images. There is nothing to judge the size of the formation. There is no mention of the species of coral (surely if Moller really has expertise in marine biology revealing that would be an easy and simply contribution he could make). If there is or was a wheel inside there is nothing at all to indicate where it came from, what it was made of, how long it has been there... In short we still do not have a decent case for the Exodus.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
In other words, you can't provide a single thing Admin asked for. And you wonder why we doubt your "evidence".
Did you view the short clip which I linked? It shows photography of the various wheel shaped coral forms, the most notable table shaped one in particular. I do not have the other information.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
It shows photography of the various wheel shaped coral forms
What are the dimensions of the various coral formations that are alleged to be wheels and/or axles? Do they conform to the dimensions of chariots from the appropriate time period? It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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