Life on other Planets?

Hi, Frako.

frako writes: Becauzse its roughly the only comparrison we got...

We could try comparing them to a more advanced society, because that would seem to be a more appropriate comparison, anyway.

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frako writes: The native americans live in reservations while this was their continent...

They're just as free to move about the country as anybody else in the USA. I know a lot of Native Americans of several different tribes who don't live on reservations, and hold jobs that are just as good as anybody else's jobs.

Sure, it's not perfect, but there's been a lot of progress since the 19th century, and we should predict, based on this, that a society that has had more development than us would have made more progress than we have.

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frako writes: ...but if the subjects are less intelligent then humans say the intelligence of a cow they get to live in a space to small for them to turn they get feed nasty shit so they can get fat real fast and then they get killed and slaughtered. So what do you think a smarter race would do to us a race that would regard our intelligence the same way we regard the intelligence of a cow...

Knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing. Just because aliens know more than us and have a more advanced society than us, doesn't mean that their intelligence is inherently superior to ours in the way that ours is inherently superior to cows'.

Surely you don't think that an alien society that understands how the universe operates well enough to travel among the stars would be too stupid to recognize the difference.

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-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

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Our economy is based on (cheap) energy.

Energy replaces manual labor in many areas now, allowing a few laborers to do the work of many.

It would seem logical that spacefaring societies would have access to better sources of energy than we now have.

We could try comparing them to a more advanced society, because that would seem to be a more appropriate comparison, anyway.

Ohh ok lets compare them to america, waging a ware every 20 years, exploiting imigrant labure ......

They're just as free to move about the country as anybody else in the USA. I know a lot of Native Americans of several different tribes who don't live on reservations, and hold jobs that are just as good as anybody else's jobs.

We would be just as free as them roaming the earth as long as we follow their rules.

Knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing. Just because aliens know more than us and have a more advanced society than us, doesn't mean that their intelligence is inherently superior to ours in the way that ours is inherently superior to cows'.

It is fare mor likley that it is genetic enginiring cyber implants .... would all be old news to them.

Given the vastness of the universe I think it is safe to say there is other intelligent life out their. As far as evidence goes their is some evidence of sutible 'life-inhibiting' planets, it is only due to our severly limited technology that actual evidence of intelligent life-forms have not yet been discovered.

Hi, Coyote.

Coyote writes: It would seem logical that spacefaring societies would have access to better sources of energy than we now have.

I agree. I'm not really sure what you're getting at though.

Is this a reason not expect them to exploit us for labor?

Or, is this a reason to expect travel to be less of a problem?

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-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

Darwin loves you.

With access to that much energy, manual labor is much less necessary.

But this does remind me of an old story, titled "To Serve Man."

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Hi, Frako.

frako writes: Bluejay writes: We could try comparing them to a more advanced society, because that would seem to be a more appropriate comparison, anyway. Ohh ok lets compare them to america, waging a ware every 20 years, exploiting imigrant labure ......

Then, let's go there. Note that the USA didn't start any of the wars we are accused of "waging" in the past century (with the possible exception of the current ones). In fact, we only got involved in any of them at the specific request of the parties involved (the Allies, Korea, South Vietnam, etc.), or when somebody brought us into it by attacking us directly (Pearl Harbor).

So, if you're going to compare advanced aliens to the USA, then all we have to fear from alien invaders is retaliation if we start a conflict.

And, "exploiting immigrant labor" means "paying them small amounts of money (but still more money than they would have made back home) when they voluntarily come to the USA to work."

So, if you're going to compare advanced aliens to the USA, then all you have to complain about is not getting paid as much as aliens (but still more than you would make here) when you immigrate to their lands.

If these are your real concerns with advanced alien "invaders," then I think your comparisons between them and 19th century imperialists is petty.

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frako writes: Bluejay writes: They're just as free to move about the country as anybody else in the USA. I know a lot of Native Americans of several different tribes who don't live on reservations, and hold jobs that are just as good as anybody else's jobs. We would be just as free as them roaming the earth as long as we follow their rules.

Native Americans currently enjoy all the freedoms I enjoy as a white man living in the United States. I took no part in making the rules that both they and I have to live by, and neither did any white person that I know personally, so it's totally ridiculous for you to characterize "them" as having to follow "our" rules.

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-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

Darwin loves you.

Hi, Coyote.

Coyote writes: With access to that much energy, manual labor is much less necessary. But this does remind me of an old story, titled "To Serve Man."

Ooh, that was a good one. Also a good point: maybe advanced aliens would be, not capitalists or imperialists, but predators looking to eat us.

My inclination is to think that human-level or higher intelligence is more likely to derive from adaptable omnivores than from hypercarnivores, simply because intelligence increases flexibility more than functionality; but I suppose I have no way of being particularly confident of that conclusion.

In any event, I still support the idea that, as long as we're discussing alien invasions, we should be prepared for a worst-case scenario (i.e. invaders who want to rain down total destruction on us). I just don't understand why so many people are so quick to speculate that aliens are most likely going to be like this.

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-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

Darwin loves you.

I just don't understand why so many people are so quick to speculate that aliens are most likely going to be like this.

How many alien movies have YOU seen where the aliens were peaceful?

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

hooah212002 writes: Bluejay writes: I just don't understand why so many people are so quick to speculate that aliens are most likely going to be like this. How many alien movies have YOU seen where the aliens were peaceful?

Typical, humans tend to anthropormorphisize everything.

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