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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 123 (59421)
10-04-2003 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by IrishRockhound
10-04-2003 8:21 PM


quote:
In light of my earlier posts, I think I must apologise to Buzsaw and to eveyone else. I should not have posted what I did. In this issue I am very much biased and I should not have involved myself.
Apology appreciated and well taken, Irish friend. Abraham Lincoln once said to a friend in the Whitehouse ballroom something like, "I don't like that fellow over there. I guess I need to get to know him." Hopefully, with God's help, I can act and post in such a manner as to lend credibility to the Christ of Christianity I claim to represent in such a manner as to change your attitude towards some of us and why we think the way we do.

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Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 123 (59435)
10-04-2003 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Rei
10-04-2003 8:44 PM


quote:
Please, Buz - since you're such an expert on Islam, why don't you grace us with a summary of the Koran.
I never claimed the status of expert, Rei. I said I've done my homework, meaning I know whereof I speak when I make statements on the subject. It's a new subject, so I'll respond with a new topic, at the risk of spreading myself too thin here with the limited time I have to give to the forum.
Btw, I appreciate your general attitude towards me as has been shown in this thread. Though we don't see things alike, you do seem to have a measure of respect for someone's alternative opinion/view in this town without the need for personal insult.

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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 123 (59441)
10-04-2003 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by crashfrog
10-04-2003 9:11 PM


quote:
Or the clouds of tyranny our Dept. of Homeland Security imposes on innocent foreign nationals held indefinately without trial for the crime of being Muslim in the wrong place.
When you look around the planet and see the variety of terrorism/destruction in such a variety of locations and when you loose the world's two tallest buildings, extensive damage to the Pentagon and likely intended target of our Capitol along with the devastation to lives and the economy it brought to our own nation, man does what man's gotta do to save the nation. War has been declared on our nation and war is being waged in response with all the unpleasantness it entails.
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 10-04-2003]

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Buzsaw
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Message 55 of 123 (59569)
10-05-2003 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Zhimbo
10-05-2003 5:55 PM


quote:
My problem with this rhetoric is that it gives them impression that if we fight the war, we can "win". Truth is, we can't "win" on either of these fronts. If there was a Capital city of Terrorism, with an army defending it, we could "win" the war.
There is a capitol city on terrorism and Israel is the only nation in the world who reslly realizes this. Why? Because they are located closest to the front lines. The Capitol city of terrorism is Mecca where the prophet Mohammed declared war on the planet commanding his followers to take up the sword and go all the way to global conquest just as he himself did to impose his religion on the people of his land. Israel, and to some extent, the US, is being drawn into the offensive against these forces. The rest of the world watches, jeers, complains and boos as those nations in the conflict defend and retaliate, oblivious to the reality that if and when these fall, they will be next. Where would Israel be today if they sat back passively and suffered hit after hit after hit with no let up by those who loudly proclaimed the intent to drive them into the sea? Where would the rest of the world be if there were no Israel today and the Russian/Arab alliance totally dominated the entire Mideast? Were there were no resistance whatsoever to the conquestadores, what hope at all would there be to the nations of Africa like Nigeria and Sudan to be free?

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Buzsaw
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Message 57 of 123 (59575)
10-05-2003 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by crashfrog
10-05-2003 5:18 AM


quote:
Our nation isn't threatened by a few guys with box cutters. 9-11 had no effect on democracy or freedom. What did have an effect was the radical expansion of government surveillence powers that immediately and recklessly followed. If the aim of terror is to limit our freedom, the hijackers have succeeded - by turning our government against us.
Crashfrog, you people who can somehow claim that everything existing came to be of and through itself don't seem to have enough good ole common sense to connect the dots in a simple dot book. The few guys with box cutters were a few simple dots in the big picture. They connect with this destruction, that massacre, and fundamentalistic spiritual and political leaders of many nations. They connect with the Imams of mosques in our own nations, the millions Saudi Arabia is pouring into land leases and property in our nation, the murderous bussed in rioters of Nigeria and the rewards paid to Israeli families of suicide bombers. On and on we could go with dots. These dots all connect and the picture becomes Mohammed and his written manifesto of world conquest. The stats show them winning, but why lend them a free ride to quick victory as you people seem bent on doing?

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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 123 (59576)
10-05-2003 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by John
10-05-2003 6:58 PM


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Prior to these events Islamic nations were damned peaceful and very civilized compared to Christian dominated ones. It is history though your blinders will likely never let you see it.
John, better read up on the bloody life and times of Mohammed and the wars that ensued after his death to prevent the defection of his followers who wanted to opt out. The only reason for any calm thereafter was that the Orthodox, the Vatican and the Muslims all kept one another pretty much at bay. Underlying all this was the quiet march of the true gospel of Jesus to eventually inspire the freedom, reformation and measure of enlightment enjoyed by the West.

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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 123 (59635)
10-06-2003 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Chiroptera
10-05-2003 10:34 PM


Re: sounds like a Chick tract
quote:
Where in the world does this come from? Who says that the followers of Mohammed have to conquor the world? Are you taking verses from the Quran out of context? Are you reading literature by some extremist minority? If the latter, is this group Muslim or Christian?
To respond adequately to your question would require another new topic which I don't have time for, but the following verses from the Koran give you an idea of what I'm talking about. Please note especially, the words of the last verse here, where Mohammed declares that the killing war of violence will go on against infidels until all religion belongs to god, referring, of course to Allah.
Herein lies the explanation for terrorism and Jihad, all the way from Jerusalem to Nigeria to the Twin Towers of our own nation. These terrorists are not madmen. They are the devoutest of the devout, close enough to the prophet and his book to sacrifice their very own precious lives for the stated ultimate goal of their beloved prophet and his/their god, Allah, as well as the reward promised to them in his book for that ultimate sacrifice!
quote:
II.161: Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;
IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.
IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God.
IV.74: Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.
VIII.39-42: Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 75 of 123 (59848)
10-07-2003 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Quetzal
10-06-2003 5:56 AM


quote:
It remains, nonetheless, a war. It is a form of war that can effectively be waged, although arguably never definitively "won". In the modern world, waging this type of war requires computers, high-speed communications, comprehensive and highly sophisticated intelligence (both technical and the much-maligned and oft-neglected humint), and also well-trained, specialized military units capable of rapid deployment and precision, deadly surgical strikes. It isn't a war of pistols at thirty paces. It's a war of the knife in the dark. For one example, as the "terrorists" are not respectors of national sovreignty, and in fact have no fixed national address as it were, those nations seeking to oppose them must also - at least at times, and after very careful risk-vs-gain analysis - ignore national boundaries, territories and sovreignty.
Profoundly and masterfully thought out, Quetzal. Had we learned these lessons we could've kept 99% of our military hardware and people home from foreign soil all these decades.

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Buzsaw
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Message 87 of 123 (60084)
10-08-2003 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Zhimbo
10-07-2003 3:29 PM


quote:
I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, I've just come across this reply. You're one scary freak, buz, based on the evidence presented in this post.
"Scary freak?" Kind of an off the cuff insultive pot shot on the basis of one post, don't you think? Why don't you open your own "poster potshot" thread in the freeforall? In the meantime, I suggest you read up on some pretty "scary" stuff in the life history of the prophet Muhammed and "scary" statements he wrote in his book concerning his prescribed treatment for those who refuse to espouse his religion. If you then still consider buz to be this "scary freak," open a thread to refute my statements in post #55.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 91 of 123 (60167)
10-08-2003 6:48 PM


Anyhow, methinks Nigerians not happiness world champs and at least some who've read the facts objectively have gained some knowledge by this thread. That's my summarization and time to move on for me.

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Buzsaw
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Message 93 of 123 (60197)
10-08-2003 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Chiroptera
10-08-2003 8:08 PM


Re: What?
I've cited the unrest in the nation and Islamic intentions to erradicate Christianity in the North, the effort to enforce sharia upon some of the population in sectors, the homeless, the begging in the streets, the destruction by bussed in Islamic terrorists etc. The scary thing to me is that none of you people are bothered by all this and you all think this looser third world oppressive regime rule over the happiness/contented world champs of all nations of the world with narry a one who care. That's really scary if you people are representative of America's emerging generation. Your generation is just fine with ushering into America and the world Muhammed's dream of an Islamic planet.
If the facts I've pesented mean nothing to you, why should I waste any more time on this thread?
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 10-08-2003]

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Buzsaw
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Message 96 of 123 (60206)
10-08-2003 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by NosyNed
10-08-2003 11:13 PM


Re: What?
quote:
All we have is that someone told us a study says Nigerians are very happy. We have no idea about the reliability of that. However, we do feel that it is not impossible even if we individual are very surprised.
Thanks Ned. Good overall post. In response to your above statement, it appeared that this was a scientific study published in what appeared to be a noted science publication and also appeared to be global in sponsorship. I did the thread because I felt that people should be aware that some of these scientific studies may not be all that scientific or factual. Another reason for posting it is that this is just another African nation where genocide is either emerging or being perpetrated because the UN and world body of nations seem to be looking the other way as this genocide goes on. If the number of people in Africa killed in the last decade had been any place in Europe it would have gotten a whole lot more attention.

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Buzsaw
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Message 99 of 123 (60209)
10-09-2003 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Chiroptera
10-08-2003 11:01 PM


Re: What?
Chiroptera,
1. The context out of which I cited from the Quran nor the life and practices of the prophet himself in no way change anything stated in the quotes.
2. None of my statements were falsely deflamatory. Where were your responses to the contrary when they were posted or thereafter to refute them?
3. I was neither overly excited nor did I say anything I should now want to retract since what I posted was factual.
4. Shraf resorted to meanspirited insultive responses and I simply refuse to respond to such. I don't need that and neither would you.
My apologies for assuming your age to be young. It appears there's only a few here over 40. I guess there's one or two who would be considered to be in my generation.

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Buzsaw
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Message 100 of 123 (60210)
10-09-2003 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Chiroptera
10-09-2003 12:00 AM


Re: What?
quote:
You did not discuss any of the science, however. But I repeat myself.
Are you aware that there's social science? The study was the science, wasn't it?

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 123 (60372)
10-10-2003 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Chiroptera
10-09-2003 2:15 PM


Re: What?
quote:
Since some implications of your statements is that Islam is by nature a violent religion bent on world domination and so Muslims are dangerous people, which are not true, I would consider such statements defamatory.
I've never said Muslims, perse, are a dangerous people. My statements and quotes were to show that the prophet himself practiced violence against "infidels" and taught that his followers should also make violent war against same. Nothing in the Bible teaches that we Christians should do violence to anyone.

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