Did the Biblical Exodus ever happen?

That's the one. I had a higher resolution of it at one time and still trying to find it. The phallus is just below the red arrow between the human figure and the front legs and is also the figure eight on it's side like burn in the doctored photo.

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I don't see why all of the tado over the images. I don't dig that anything has been altered just because the little man was carved out. A different person may have came in from the camp and added the man. Who knows?This is a big fuss about little of consequence. My point was only that animals were in the camp and there was a golden calf worshiped. So far as I'm aware, the scripture doesn't give any details about just how the worship was done. If any alter was involved Moses would have destroyed it. The images plus the fact that the mountain is guarded says something about there being some significant activity there at some point in time.Imo, you're not helping your weak arguments at all nor are you diminishing my points.I've said about all I have that will satisfy Admin or any of you people. You all had your minds set at the OP message. You all will go on from here and repeat your lies to the www unceasingly that Buzsaw has never ever cited one iota of evidence for the Biblical Exodus.Some will read this thread and disagree with you: some with me. I see some ratings which show that one or some agreed with me at least. If I can enlighten one or more, I'm happy. It's worth the time and effort. May the truth prevail. Edited by Buzsaw, : Spell check

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A: Evidence that mountain is guarded?
2: If indeed the mountain is guarded why does that point to "some significant activity there at some point in time"?

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The best way for the "truth" to prevail is to present legitimate evidence supporting it.Unfortunately you have a tendency to present to us anything that you see supporting your position, while ignoring vast amounts of evidence to the contrary. And when we point out the problems with your posts it is our fault for being atheists or some such and failing to fall all over ourselves accepting your "evidence."Buz, you simply have to become more of a skeptic. When someone presents you with flimsy evidence, make them show their work even if it supports your beliefs. But you apparently want your beliefs supported so badly that you blindly accept any argument that supports them--no matter how flimsy their evidence or how duplicitous the source. Then you are in the position you find yourself in here so often, trying to support flimsy claims that you have accepted uncritically.With this kind of a posting history you are not "enlightening" anyone here. You are only hurting your position with flimsy "evidence."Don't you think you owe it to yourself to at least check into the sources you are citing? And to examine the "truth" they are peddling? It may be that they are less credible than you think.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Why should we assume he was? Because it fits your story so nicely? If you want to claim he was added later, then you will have to provide evidence for it. He could also be part of the original picture. Also, it's not just about the little man, it's about all the other images as well. In fact, Wyatt puts great importance on the little man, saying that he is evidence they worshipped a golden calf there, your assertion that the man was added later harms his case. Thank you. And you have provided no evidence for either assertion. I'll grant you that they had animals with them, this doesn't sound so implausible, but these images are not evidence that they worshipped any golden calf. Also, the fact that they had animals with them would also leave lots of evidence along their trail. Evidence that just isn't there. So? It at least speaks about an altar. Perhaps it is guarded to protect the images, if it is even guarded at all. The again something significant doesn't mean anything at all, now does it? It could be a place where cow herders worshipped their gods, and the images are some sort of prayer to receive plenty of cows. You don't know what the significance was, even if it was significant at all. You have no points. All you have are assertions Well, it won't satisfy us, because it is not evidence. It's not a lie. We showed you how your "evidence" was worthless. You just kept repeating it anyway. All you ever did was assert.

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This is a big fuss about little of consequence. My point was only that animals were in the camp and there was a golden calf worshiped.

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While the Bible DOES mention an altar, the Bible makes NO mention of any petroglyphs. Nor do the petroglyphs indicate any worship of a Golden Calf, There is simply no reason to connect these petroglyphs to the Exodus story. And of course, the petroglyphs may well be one reason why the site is "guarded" (i.e., fenced off - there's been no sign of any actual guards being present).

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I've said about all I have that will satisfy Admin or any of you people. You all had your minds set at the OP message. You all will go on from here and repeat your lies to the www unceasingly that Buzsaw has never ever cited one iota of evidence for the Biblical Exodus.

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I'll go on saying that you haven't presented any significant evidence supporting the Exodus because it is true. I can also say that you've misrepresented the Bible, ignored rebuttals, stated blatant falsehoods (such as claiming that Molller had "scientifically proved" that the Nuweiba "crossing" was shallower than the traditional Gulf of Suez) and so on... All true.And let's not forget that you whined, and whined about Admin asking you to produce better evidence than the crap you had. Or that you said that you were going to produce more evidence - and have since claimed not to have any more than you had already produced.

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May the truth prevail.

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It has, Buz. The truth won, and you lost.

If you have any information about the following then please present it:

• Just to make certain which petroglyph we're talking about, which among the petroglyphs is the representation of the alter?
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• Again, just to make certain which petroglyph we're talking about, which among the petroglyphs is the representation of the golden calf?
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• What is the evidence tying the petroglyphs to the ancient Hebrews of the Exodus?
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• What is the evidence that the mountain is guarded?
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• Assuming that the rationale for the Saudis guarding the mountain is that they know something profoundly important about it that the rest of the world doesn't know and that they don't want the rest of the world to know, what is the evidence that the Saudis believe it is the site of the fleeing Israelite's Mt. Sinai camp?

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The point is that Ron Wyatt falsified the data, used the photographic burn technique to alter the images and to make it look as though that one image was of some greater significance than any other images on the rock. He did not present all the evidence, only the evidence that he thought supported his fantasy and even then he altered it so that the human figure was not seen as a phallic symbol.The fact is that there is not a single "calf" depicted anywhere on the rock. Nor is there any indication that it is or ever was some altar. In addition, there is no evidence that it is in anyway guarded.

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A modern military installation might be the more plausible option. You know, radar stations like to sit on mountain tops. Fits your description of "some significant activity there at some point in time" perfectly. I would look it up on Google Maps if I knew which mountain it was exactly, but you probably know so here's your opportunity to actually disprove something using REAL evidence...Edited by Dirk, : No reason given.

My position has always been that there was no alter. Perhaps Jar can show that the scripture refers to one. The rock inscription of the man by the animal depicts no alter; just the man and the animal. Thus, if that image relates to worship, it appears that the man is worshiping the animal itself and not bowing or worshiping at some alter.If Wyatt's position happens to be that there was an alter or that the image depicts an alter, I don't know whether that is the case that doesn't necessarily mean that it's my position. Perhaps the one with the man would be the one most indicative of worship. My position has been that the animal inscriptions show that the inscription, being at the foot of the mountain is indicative that some significant activity relating to hoofed animal/animals happened at some time in the past.My position has been that this standing alone would not be significant. It is just another duck in the row of evidence ducts in that it is in the right succession of events supportive to the Biblical account of the Exodus. It is supportive corroborating evidence to the account. That's it, just as Robert Ballard's evidence of salt water vs fresh water was corroborative evidence of his hypothesis relative to the yet to be analyzed logs at the bottom of the Black Sea. Nothing relating to either amount to much standing alone.You people are requiring more of me than of yourselves, in that you are, in a sense, dividing to conquer neglecting the big conglomerate picture. Zooming in on the horse's head is not the way to appreciate a Fredrick Remington painting, for example. This, from scientist Lennart Moller is from his book, THE EXODUS CASE is all I can show at this point. Again, I have shown the credibility data of this renowned scientist author as to his credentials. He is not regarded in the scientific academic arena as a fraud or crackpot, unlike how he appears to be regarded here at EvC by skeptics.

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Buz, in Message 41 did you or did you not say:

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No golden calf was found that I'm aware of. What was found were these inscrptions at an alter site at the foot of Mt. Jabal el Lawz, the real Mt Sinai where it should be, Midian in Arabia. These inscriptions depict the golden calf.

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You remind me of the old children's joke: The grass can't corroborate the cow because the grass isn't there. The cow can't corroborate the grass because the cow isn't there. Two things that don't exist can't corroborate each other.There is no picture.

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Thank you, Jar. I stand corrected. I was careless when I posted this and/or perhaps in too much of a hurry. I never regarded that as an alter. I should have said rock.

Do you still claim that the inscription depict a calf?

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The rock claimed to be the altar of the Golden Calf depicts some classic primitive hunting and fertility pictoglyphs. It shows men with an exagerated phallus men with bows and a phallus, wolves, native species of antelope and goats, camels, dogs. They are very crudely drawn. Now in the Exodus myth the people create a "golden calf" to worship. Now smelting gold and molding it into a calf replica requires a knowledge of several technological areas as well as artistic abilities. Yet when we look at the pictoglyphs in the images above, and compare them to what was being done in Egypt at the same periods, you really have to wonder.Does the image below from wikipedia look like the ones above?

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